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Doesn't that article describe illegal tapping up? I didn't think you could discuss contracts until given permission by the current players club?

When did I say we shouldn't keep them motivated and not treat them as individuals??

Just looking at the stats that's all.

I think you are being blinded by the big star name and team.

Plus his value is far more than just as a player. He has huge potential as a future coach.

Only two players created more chances than Gross. Neither are Kevin De Bruyne. They are Fernades and Odegard.

I don't understand this? Thanking players for what they have done? We signed them and gave them the platform and paid them handsomely. That's the thanks isn't it? It's their job to perform well. It's not like we are making them go above and beyond and not paying them well and need to thank them...

How much would Kevin De Bruyne cost? Similar age similar contract time similar production and importance.

He needs to be replaced by 3 or 4 players. Cover for full back, a holding midfielder, an attacking mid fielder and maybe a winger. That is why I would be amazed if a few can be agreed to. Gross is worth tens of millions. Probably 30-50.

I can not see how Dortmund will afford the fee. He is so important he will command an above market price as replacing him will cost a fortune.

You know that's not what was being discussed. But I am not carrying this on if you just resort to insults.

They are rare edge cases. What percentage of EPL transfers did they make up? It is a tiny fraction of transfers that are of their like. It is absolute fiction and nonsense to suggest they are not rarities.

I am not sure that is the experience the original poster was after.

You are cherry picking rarities there. Generally for an experience player with EPL or equivalent experience you will be paying £50 m and that is before you factor in wages. Look at how much Pedro cost - almost 30 m and he has zero EPL experience. Yes, there will always be the rare Gross and...

The trouble is that 2-3 experienced players will cost way more than £60-80m. Unless you sign free agents like Wellbeck, Lallana and Milner. But then you would complain they don't play enough and are injured.

The England team's DNA, as an outsider, seems to be to have good individuals but with a poor team technical and tactical cohesion. They just play, and rarely look like they have a plan. You could say it is to pick the best 11 individuals but not necessarily the best team. This, I think anyway...

But they would also have to pay the right fee as well. He is one of the best producers in the EPL. He will cost $50m plus.

Although if we want to bring one of the youngsters though and Steele is more of a third choice a joint coach/player role could really suit him well.

I can't imagine the fees being thrown around would come anywhere close to what we would take. He is worth way more than that to us.

No you are right. There is no way in hell they should get away with that much of a lenient punishment.