[Albion] Fabian I was wrong

Uh_huh_him · 2025-03-05T11:58:47+0000

Brian Munich said:
The bad run was literally 2 games - that was what was so rediculous - so it's fairly certain we'll have similar bad runs again. Prior to the home defeat at Everton, we'd had 3 wins and 2 draws against Arse and Villa!

The bad run was significantly more than 2 games.
That's just as much of a clueless statement as some of the guff, I spouted in the aftermath of the Forest game.

November 29th - December 30th 7 games - 5pts
0 wins & 5 Draws against Leicester, Southampton, Brentford, West Ham and Villa
2 absolutely clueless losses to Palace & Fulham

dazzer6666 · 2025-03-05T12:07:20+0000

Uh_huh_him said:
The bad run was significantly more than 2 games.
That's just as much of a clueless statement as some of the guff, I spouted in the aftermath of the Forest game.

November 29th - December 30th 7 games - 5pts
0 wins & 5 Draws against Leicester, Southampton, Brentford, West Ham and Villa
2 absolutely clueless losses to Palace & Fulham

So not really a run then. Just a series of inconsistent results with one freak result.

Uh_huh_him · 2025-03-05T12:13:32+0000

dazzer6666 said:
So not really a run then. Just a series of inconsistent results with one freak result.

no wins in 7 games is not a bad run now?

Which freak result was that?
Losing tamely and naively to Palace or Fulham?

Not really a freak result, when they happen 2 weeks apart, surely?

Machiavelli · 2025-03-05T12:14:18+0000

It's a difference in expectations. If 0.714ppg over seven games really constitutes a bad run, then methinks we're doing OK. Especially given that: 1, that run spread over the season would in all likelihood generate PL survival; 2, when you look at the best metric to predict final positions in the PL -- player wages spend -- we're about 14th or 15th.

GrossTurn · 2025-03-05T12:14:33+0000

Flounce said:
Why does he repeat everything he says ?

Channeling his inner Fred Elliott (and why would you not?)

EDIT: I took a risk, but was obviously gonna be beaten to it.

Uh_huh_him · 2025-03-05T12:18:52+0000

Machiavelli said:
It's a difference in expectations. If 0.714ppg over seven games really constitutes a bad run, then methinks we're doing OK. Especially given that: 1, that run spread over the season would in all likelihood generate PL survival; 2, when you look at the best metric to predict final positions in the PL -- player wages spend -- we're about 14th or 15th.

We would be 2 pts above the relegation places if we had averaged that many points per game.

FamilyGuy · 2025-03-05T12:21:33+0000

Flounce said:
Why does he repeat everything he says ?

It's a presentation technique; tell people you're gonna say it, say it, and then tell 'em you've said it.

I'm not suggesting that its a good technique.

HCxUK · 2025-03-05T12:36:36+0000

FamilyGuy said:
It's a presentation technique; tell people you're gonna say it, say it, and then tell 'em you've said it.

I'm not suggesting that its a good technique.

To be honest, it probably isn't the worst tactic considering he has a dressing room full of young people and English isn't the first language for a lot of them.

It might seem a bit simplistic and cringy to us, and maybe to a few of the older English/Dutch players too, but the messaging being clear and concise (easy to understand!) is probably for the greater good.

Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo · 2025-03-05T12:48:53+0000

Machiavelli said:
It's a difference in expectations. If 0.714ppg over seven games really constitutes a bad run, then methinks we're doing OK. Especially given that: 1, that run spread over the season would in all likelihood generate PL survival; 2, when you look at the best metric to predict final positions in the PL -- player wages spend -- we're about 14th or 15th.

0.7 ppg over a season is 26 points, that isn’t enough for survival most seasons. Currently Wolves in 17th are averaging 0.8 per game.

Comrade Sam · 2025-03-05T13:39:12+0000

Hiheidi said:
?! Who are you referring to

My bad, EAL

dazzer6666 · 2025-03-05T14:12:28+0000

Uh_huh_him said:
no wins in 7 games is not a bad run now?

Which freak result was that?
Losing tamely and naively to Palace or Fulham?

Not really a freak result, when they happen 2 weeks apart, surely?

Define the run to suit your own narrative - can't be arsed to argue. I'm glass at least half full.

jimhigham · 2025-03-05T14:20:55+0000

It would be really hard to lose anybody in that tiny dressing room.

Herr Tubthumper · 2025-03-05T14:21:37+0000

Comrade Sam said:
I teach across London and a large number of students are SEN, so repetition is helpful. Most of our team are SEN.

Most of our team are Zen? I guess Mitoma's influence is beyond just football ?

Machiavelli · 2025-03-05T14:28:47+0000

Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo said:
0.7 ppg over a season is 26 points, that isn’t enough for survival most seasons. Currently Wolves in 17th are averaging 0.8 per game.

You need to finish above 18th in order to survive and, currently, 0.714ppg would be sufficient. It was an extreme example given to illustrate that 'the bad run' -- extended from the seven games to 38 -- would even keep us up this season. We're currently on a good run in the PL -- fifteen points out of 21, which is 2.14ppg.

We will continue to have bad runs. That's the key point to get across. Anyone that thinks otherwise will be very busy on the Fab OUT thread dispensing their own special brand of misery, entitlement, etc.

Harry Wilson's tackle · 2025-03-05T14:55:36+0000

Brian Munich said:
The bad run was literally 2 games - that was what was so rediculous - so it's fairly certain we'll have similar bad runs again. Prior to the home defeat at Everton, we'd had 3 wins and 2 draws against Arse and Villa!

Are you suggesting that all that hysteria was a load of b**-w****** horse shit?

Gosh.

:wink:

Uh_huh_him · 2025-03-05T14:55:51+0000

dazzer6666 said:
Define the run to suit your own narrative - can't be arsed to argue. I'm glass at least half full.

I think that's what you were doing tbh.

My narrative is that the manager has proved he's got what it takes to succeed at this level.
But in the midst of that run, where we were regularly conceding multiple goals from a strong position, and throwing away points, I was definitely not glass half full.

dazzer6666 · 2025-03-05T14:57:41+0000

Uh_huh_him said:
I think that's what you were doing tbh.

My narrative is that the manager has proved he's got what it takes to succeed at this level.
But in the midst of that run, where we were regularly conceding multiple goals from a strong position, and throwing away points, I was definitely not glass half full.

The 'bad run' didn't end at Everton/Forest. We'd won 3 consecutive away games before that :shrug:

Forest was a freak result

Lever · 2025-03-05T14:59:38+0000

Uncle Spielberg said:
Showed me thinking he had lost the dressing room. Amazing

A graceful acknowledgement of an error of judgement, and that is a rare treasure! Thanks.

Uh_huh_him · 2025-03-05T15:10:27+0000

dazzer6666 said:
The 'bad run' didn't end at Everton/Forest. We'd won 3 consecutive away games before that Forest was a freak result

Forest was a Freak result.
But defensive lapses, where goals were given away cheaply wasn't.

We had concede 2 goals within 10 minutes of each other in 3consecutive games prior to those wins .
It would have been 4 if not for a fortuitous VAR call against Southampton.
This was following on from throwing away points against Wolves, with 2 goals in 4 minutes.

We headed the table of points lost from winning positions and it was a real problem.
Fabs decision to throw caution to the wind and experiment against Forest, was insane.

I am over the moon with the defensive displays since Forest, because it was a massive gap in the way we were playing.
But pretending that the issue was that we weren't trusting the process enough, is a little misplaced, IMO.

Mellor 3 Ward 4 · 2025-03-05T15:23:31+0000

He's young - he's learning, he's made mistakes and who really knows the story (if there is one) behind the Ferguson issue.

Hopefully he's learnt that you can't play one central midfielder on their own, especially when said midfielder is 19 and was coming back from a long injury.

Certainly didn't look like he's lost the dressing room in that video from the Newcastle dressing room.

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