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[Football] Premier League vs Championship



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Hovegull

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Nov 27, 2022
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The second season in a row where the newly promoted will all go back down. Meanwhile, Sheffield United who only did a fraction better than Southampton have done, are a solid second and likely to go back up.

The Premier League have been a closed shop for a good while now, and teams like Sheffield United, Burnley, Southampton and Leicester will continue to yo yo.

I’d never noticed the gulf be so wide until the last couple of years. Has the quality of the PL got better, or the Championship got weaker?
 




Justice

Justice

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Jun 21, 2012
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My take on this the newly promoted clubs are showing the PL no respect. Hoping to come up and play expansive football from day one isn’t going to work.
Obviously there is meant to a difference in class between the leagues. If we found ourselves in the champions league for the first time we would expect it to be very difficult to compete.
 
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mwrpoole

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Burnley is an interesting one, because they seemed to have focused on defence this season, only conceding 9 goals in 34 games. Perhaps they've done that with a view to going up and knowing defence will be critical in the PL, unlike their last attempt when they tried, unsuccessfully, to outplay teams. A strong defence might give them a better chance next time.
 


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dsr-burnley

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Aug 15, 2014
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Justice said:
My take on this the newly promoted clubs are showing the PL no respect. Hoping to come up and play expansive football from day one isn’t going to work.
Obviously there is meant to a difference in class between the leagues. If we found ourselves in the championship league for the first time we would expect it to be very difficult to compete.
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That's certainly where Kompany went wrong at Burnley. Though as he is now managing Bayern, perhaps he would argue that it went right. But he fell for the theory that the reason Man City keep winning is because of their style of football, so if Burnley played the same way it would be successful. He didn't stop to think that De Bruyne, Rjodri, Aguerro, Haaland, and the rest are simply better players.

One thing is sure - if Burnley get promotion this time, Parker won't be expansive!
 


fly high

fly high

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Aug 25, 2011
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Justice said:
My take on this the newly promoted clubs are showing the PL no respect. Hoping to come up and play expansive football from day one isn’t going to work.
Obviously there is meant to a difference in class between the leagues. If we found ourselves in the championship league for the first time we would expect it to be very difficult to compete.
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This is exactly what CH understood when we first went up. Yes sometimes the football was torrid but it did the trick.
 




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Hovegull

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Nov 27, 2022
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Out of the current hopefuls I can see Sheffield United and Leeds going up….and I’d like to see Coventry or Blackburn go with them.
 








Uh_huh_him

Uh_huh_him

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Sep 28, 2011
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mwrpoole said:
Burnley is an interesting one, because they seemed to have focused on defence this season, only conceding 9 goals in 34 games. Perhaps they've done that with a view to going up and knowing defence will be critical in the PL, unlike their last attempt when they tried, unsuccessfully, to outplay teams. A strong defence might give them a better chance next time.
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Well hopefully they f*** up the playoffs, going out on Penalties to Coventry, West Brom or Blackburn.
It's been nice having at least one team come up, that hasn't been in the top flight for a while.
 








BBassic

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Jul 28, 2011
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dsr-burnley said:
One thing is sure - if Burnley get promotion this time, Parker won't be expansive!
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Assuming you come back up, how hopeful are you that Parker will be able to do the job in the Premier League this time around? His track record isn't great.

The defensive focus might well be what's needed. Other people have mentioned him but it's what Hughton had to do with us.
 








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Hovegull

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Nov 27, 2022
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If Man City go down they could also be the first team playing Champions League Football in the Championship.
And if the bottom three hadn’t been so bad, we could have seen both Manchester teams relegated in the same season….
 




spence

spence

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Oct 15, 2014
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Crawley
Stumpy Tim said:
Ipswich must be celebrating Cunha's latest brain fart. He'll get a minimum three games, possibly more with his history. It's the only way Ipswich are staying up now
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Rather Ipswich go down. Cunha will be gone in the summer with his cheap buy out clause. Unless Wolves have a good transfer window they will be in big trouble. Ipswich have some good youngsters who might kick on next season.
 


Uh_huh_him

Uh_huh_him

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Sep 28, 2011
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spence said:
Rather Ipswich go down. Cunha will be gone in the summer with his cheap buy out clause. Unless Wolves have a good transfer window they will be in big trouble. Ipswich have some good youngsters who might kick on next season.
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Not as many as we have.....
It's actually in our interest to have stronger teams below us now.
 




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Han Solo

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May 25, 2024
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Covid hit the entire football world except the Premier League. The PL clubs can shop whatever they want in the entire world, only a handful of European giants compete, and the level has been rapidly improving. Meanwhile the economy in the Championship is bad, forcing clubs to cheaply assembled squads. Then they go up and face off with teams where 15 or so of them are at a level where most people would go through the first CL stage.

If PL is going to be competitive from top to bottom, it either needs to decrease in size or find a way to improve the level of the Championship so that clubs can be more ready when they go up. There aren't a bunch of billionaires lined up to buy Championship sides and with an increasing number of PL clubs being too good to go down, the required spending to realistically have a chance to stay up increases with every year and so the number of interested investors decrease with the decreasing opportunity.

England can maybe have 21 über-expensive clubs fighting for the attention and skill required to compete over 38 games, making both the Championship and Premier League somewhat interesting, but as long as the number is 15-17. With Everton potentially getting their shit together, there's 16 clubs in the league that barely can't be touched. And once the ghost ship that is Wolves finally go down to be replaced by either Leeds or Sunderland or similar "big club", or a clever one like the big bad B teams, the league will be locked unless anything happens; same three going down and potentially up.
 


SweatyMexican

SweatyMexican

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Mar 31, 2013
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FFP doesn’t help the promoted clubs one bit.

Apart from Forest ignoring the (unfair) rules, fewer clubs are willing to throw 100s of millions at a fools errand. It’s more pragmatic to buy some key young assets to take back down and upgrade the stadium/facilities/other revenue streams.
 


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