Seagull58
In the Algarve
In my opinion it's both. Russia, allegedly, has had Trump in its pocket since 1987, probably through blackmail, but has also been lining his pockets for decades through juicy business deals. Carrot and stick.
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[Politics] Donald Trump, US President
- Thread starter Zeberdi
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I don’t think he does, directly. How would anyone control someone like him?
I suspect it’s more that Trump has been favourable to Russia since the ‘80s, which Putin uses to his advantage. Manipulation is probably a better word than control - nudge Trump in the right direction knowing his predilection will do the rest.
Seagull58
In the Algarve
Don't you believe the ex-KGB agent who said Trump was "captured" in 1987 and has the codename Krasnov?
Motogull
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- Sep 16, 2005
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Is Krasnov Russian for Bunglekunnt?
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I can believe that, I’m just saying I don’t think they use coercion on Trump. It’s well established that he would have met KGB agents in 1987. “Captured” as in “won to our cause”, for sure. “Captured” through some kompromat is debatable - not out of the question, but I don’t think they’d need it for what we’re seeing.
Coercive control is hard work. It breeds resistance because the subject feels the constraint of the trap. Threats have to be constantly reinforced and escalated. Constant monitoring required.
It’s far easier to control someone if they’re a True Believer. They’ll go along willingly and they’ll actively resist efforts from outside to “save” them because they become convinced that the outside saviour is the real threat.
Trump is a narcissist who thinks he’s the greatest super-genius the world has ever seen. “A really high IQ individual“. He’s easily flattered, loves money almost as much as he loves himself.
I’d bet money that when he visited Moscow in 1987, they treated him like a king and that he’s been putty in their hands ever since, easy to manipulate without the need for any threats.
Edit: that still could have included some attractive visitors to his hotel room. Sex is one of the most reliable means of control. But I doubt any level of compromising video would cause a man like Trump embarrassment. But if he got laid every time he went to Moscow, it’s going to have made him very fond of the place.
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deletebeepbeepbeep
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- May 12, 2009
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I believe that the piss tapes are real.
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Entirely possible. Still wouldn’t make them the best way to control him.
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There was obviously a leak.
armchairclubber
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And yet I've just been listening to a several minute conversation on radio 5 live where Dotun Adebeyo seems to be defending Trumps AI video and asking if it was "just a joke"
I found it dumfounding and sickening at the same time that he felt the need to, or even found it appropriate to, discuss that in those terms on the BBC.
Adebayo seemed to be tying himself in knots as it began to dawn on him. He even went as far as suggesting similar developments should be replicated on the African coastline.
It's worth a listen if only to understand how far the BBC has fallen, imo.
From 3hrs.48 mins.
Dotun Adebayo - 27/02/2025 - BBC Sounds
Dotun Adebayo with your calls and discussion through the night.
www.bbc.co.uk
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BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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so trumps budget bill thing includes massive tax cuts and massive cuts in spending.
i guess this is good for working people as what they lose in services they gain by paying less tax.
I was trying to find clarification that the tax cuts were for worling people. Sadly I couldn't find any butbit would be isane to think that the tax cuts would be for the 13 billionaires in his cabinet and their rich buddies. right?
i guess this is good for working people as what they lose in services they gain by paying less tax.
I was trying to find clarification that the tax cuts were for worling people. Sadly I couldn't find any butbit would be isane to think that the tax cuts would be for the 13 billionaires in his cabinet and their rich buddies. right?
From memory, the billionaires and millionaires were to get the big tax cuts in the Trump budget.
Lowest earning workers were looking at a 0.5% cut or something.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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hmmm. just like Las Vegan, Spence and the hard working families in the rust and bible belt wanted I guess.
Maybe eggs are getting a big tax cut too?
But this is what we're up against here (and elsewhere) . Somehow rich politicians on the right manage to convince those very much poorer that they (the rich) will be acting in their (the poor's) interests. Tax cuts for the rich end up with lower funding for pretty much everything that low income individuals need (decent public services, a progressive benefits system, social housing, etc, etc). I am constantly amazed at how ex public school types like Johnson, Rees-Mogg, etc, etc managed to present themselves as "men of the people". A great con trick which Trump has mastered in spades.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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the major headline of the budget is keeping cuts from previous bill which expires. there's a 22% increase for "average" household without the new bill.
armchairclubber
Well-known member
And some people, still banging on about them, have also fallen for the con trick that is Keir Starmer.
nicko31
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The top 3 billionaires hold as much wealth as the bottom 50% of the population. That's nowhere near enough and needs to be addressed
Out of interest, what is the con?
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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i think itnis being addressed . . . at last.
armchairclubber
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I'm afraid to say that that if you can't see it by now then I'm sorry for you.
I really am.
It's not something that I could debate on here with you though, even If I wanted to.
It's forbidden.
Deportivo Seagull
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I think you’ll find that the real con, is the con in conservative. That fact that you fell for it must really hurt.