[Albion] Illia Zabarny's red card

dazzer6666 · 2025-02-24T21:38:30+0000

Red according to the law imo

Serious foul play is punishable by red card.

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

Considerations

-Speed
-Intensity
-Force
-Degree of control
-Point and extent of contact (full/limited)

Contact

-Contact on foot only is typically considered reckless = Yellow card
-High + Full + Forceful contact on ankle or above is considered dangerous = Red card

Considerations when contact is made after playing the ball

-Controlled action to play the ball
-Available space into which challenge is made
-Awareness and consideration of opponent
and their safety
-Is the challenge clearly reckless (yellow card)
or involves excessive force (red card)

VAR process to continue to make use of full speed replays to consider intensity, and slow motion replays to establish point of contact.

ACobweb · 2025-02-24T21:38:56+0000

WhingForPresident said:
Very obvious red. Do they still give additional suspensions for frivolous appeals? Did they ever, or is this something I dreamed up?! Regardless, this should qualify.

Believe this happened to one of our players (Virgo?) back in the Withdean days

Hugo Rune · 2025-02-24T21:40:21+0000

Motogull said:
I would file that appeal under 'pissing about'.

They are absolutely desperate to get him back as without them, they are very short at the back.

I think the MotD team had given them the Dutch courage to pursue this but clearly, it’s an admission that VAR is f***ed if they win the appeal.

Can’t see it happening.

Coldeanseagull · 2025-02-24T21:43:46+0000

Not only a red, but should be arrested for 'intent', or loitering or summit :thumbsup:

Herr Tubthumper · 2025-02-24T21:56:12+0000

trueblue said:
One of those that looks bad in slomo. I thought a yellow was fine and the ref got it right at full speed. It’s more or less a textbook sliding tackle - dragging his other leg and in control. Wasn’t excessive force. Just unfortunate that as he won the ball his foot bounced up. Doubt it will be overturned though.

it looks bad in slow motion because it is bad. I also don’t see how you can say he is in control.

Irrespective of this, I posted the laws above. The tackle satisfies the second paragraph, so it’s a red.

Freddo · 2025-02-24T21:58:14+0000

It’s a clear red, but it’s bound to be overturned. Just to give Bournemouth a lift right before they play us.

Randy McNob · 2025-02-24T22:00:30+0000

Makes contact with ball first. Good tackle imo

Superphil · 2025-02-24T22:02:50+0000

VAR is such a shambles and is getting worse. If this is reviewed, regardless of the fact it’s a red card according to the laws/rules of the games, you just know those halfwits in charge will overturn it.

Bodian · 2025-02-24T22:05:05+0000

Randy McNob said:
Makes contact with ball first. Good tackle imo

Not a red here, not a DOGSO there. Do you have a thing about sending offs?

What would actually be a red in your book.

Or are you just whooshing us all along......

alanfp · 2025-02-24T22:06:48+0000

dazzer6666 said:
Serious foul play is punishable by red card.

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

Considerations
-Speed
-Intensity
-Force
-Degree of control
-Point and extent of contact (full/limited)

I don't think safety was endangered and I don't think there was excessive force or brutality (and I've viewed it at 25% speed).
On the basis of the 'considerations'...
The angle of attack was more parallel to the Wolves player and not heading towards him, so relative speed was low,
did not make contact with much intensity,
wasn't very high (half way up shin perhaps, where the shinpads were/should be).
not out of control (his trailing leg was in a reasonable position, possibly still on the ground??),
contact - not much - I bet there wasn't a mark left on his shin.

In summary, I don't think it should be a red.

PS I know I'm in a minority on this one

darkwolf666 · 2025-02-24T22:09:27+0000

Randy McNob said:
Makes contact with ball first. Good tackle imo

There’s nothing in the Laws of football that says you can commit a potentially dangerous/reckless tackle, just because you got the ball first…

mejonaNO12 aka riskit · 2025-02-24T22:09:59+0000

It's a bit UNLUCKY because he's rolled over the top of the ball and it's turned into a worse contact, but in turn that is because he didn't win much of the ball in the first place which his doing.

I'd be staggered if that's overturned. Touching the ball first is not enough.

Berty23 · 2025-02-24T22:11:40+0000

If this bloke gets off while Baleba had to serve a ban it would be a disgrace.

Pavilionaire · 2025-02-24T22:13:11+0000

There's no malice but it is a dangerous and wreckless challenge. Yes he skims the top of the ball, which only propels his studs-up boot upwards into the direction of the players knee.

Berty23 · 2025-02-24T22:14:07+0000

Mike Dean was adamant it was a red on soccer Saturday. By definition he was not in control.

alanfp · 2025-02-24T22:14:18+0000

dazzer6666 said:
Contact
-Contact on foot only is typically considered reckless = Yellow card
-High + Full + Forceful contact on ankle or above is considered dangerous = Red card

Considerations when contact is made after playing the ball
-Controlled action to play the ball
-Available space into which challenge is made
-Awareness and consideration of opponent
and their safety
-Is the challenge clearly reckless (yellow card)
or involves excessive force (red card)

VAR process to continue to make use of full speed replays to consider intensity, and slow motion replays to establish point of contact.

And..
controlled action to play the ball? Yes - he played the ball
Available space - yes/maybe. there was a little free space perhaps
Awareness - yes, I think he was aware of the player's presence and so went for the ball
'excessive force'? - hardly!

Like I say, I know most of you disagree with me - but you did make the mistake of bringing the subject up for discussion. What were you thinking!

Harry Wilson's tackle · 2025-02-24T22:14:30+0000

Greg Bobkin said:
This next appeal decision could be lineup-defining.

These are a good appeal (decision situation).

DavidinSouthampton · 2025-02-24T22:14:49+0000

mejonaNO12 aka riskit said:
It's a bit UNLUCKY because he's rolled over the top of the ball and it's turned into a worse contact, but in turn that is because he didn't win much of the ball in the first place which his doing.

I'd be staggered if that's overturned. Touching the ball first is not enough.

That’s exactly how I saw it. The fact that “he’s rolled over the top of the ball”, as you put it, shows he’s not in control.

Motogull · 2025-02-24T22:15:52+0000

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
These are a good appeal (decision situation).

Christ. Not you as well.

dazzer6666 · 2025-02-24T22:16:46+0000

alanfp said:
I don't think safety was endangered and I don't think there was excessive force or brutality (and I've viewed it at 25% speed).
On the basis of the 'considerations'...
The angle of attack was more parallel to the Wolves player and not heading towards him, so relative speed was low,
did not make contact with much intensity,
wasn't very high (half way up shin perhaps, where the shinpads were/should be).
not out of control (his trailing leg was in a reasonable position, possibly still on the ground??),
contact - not much - I bet there wasn't a mark left on his shin.

In summary, I don't think it should be a red.

PS I know I'm in a minority on this one

Safety was definitely endangered

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