[Politics] Apple security and the Labour Orwellian state

tedebear · Saturday at 12:25 PM

I've got nothing to hide and to be honest had always been slightly sceptible at how far Apple have always gone to fight this. There has to be a middle road between we need to look at peoples data, against the right people have to privacy. As always its the minority of people exploiting this to the detriment of the majority forcing where the line may fall between privacy and right to know. But like I said, I've got nothing to hide, you are welcome to my banal texts of grocery item requests, sending my son £20 for lunch, searching when did Guy Butters leave, how to germinate primulas and sharing photos and memories with my family far away...

Paulie Gualtieri · Saturday at 12:33 PM

HeaviestTed said:
Actual terrorists, enemies of the nation, or organised crime aren’t going to be storing their plans on an iPhone.

They used to store them in draft email folders of MsN and yahoo email accounts. They will continue to store intelligence in the cloud based on accessibility, although I wouldn’t expect it to be in plain sight

GT49er · Saturday at 12:50 PM

HeaviestTed said:
Actual terrorists, enemies of the nation, or organised crime aren’t going to be storing their plans on an iPhone.

Oh, that's such a relief, thank you. I can now sleep easily at night.

beorhthelm · Saturday at 12:58 PM

i'm wondering how they handle existing encrypted data on their servers. if they can simply disable the feature and its all un-encrypted, was it really encrypted to begin? when they "force" you to accept the new terms, necessary to access the data, they auto-decrypt everything.

Theatre of Trees · Saturday at 1:10 PM

Zeus said:
This is pretty disturbing imo. Looks like Apple have had to make concessions on what was their primary brand value that user data would never be accessible to anyone but the user and now the government has forced them to remove encryption that protects your data. Even worse why are Labour hell bent on being able to snoop on all of us and erode our rights to privacy? We really are racing into quite scary Orwellian territory imo.

Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row - BBC News

Customers' photos and documents stored online will no longer be protected by end-to-end encryption.

www.bbc.co.uk

I know, let's give it to Elon Musk instead. Then we will be safe.

Westdene Seagull · Saturday at 1:19 PM

Creaky said:
This argument comes up every time government agencies gain extra powers, ID cards are proposed etc.

My question to those putting this forward is why do so many of us have curtains?

More to the point would the people putting this argument forward be happy if the police etc were able to search their own property without notice and without a warrant ?

Weststander · Saturday at 1:22 PM

Sorrel said:
But anyone who has been paying attention would have moved their files and comms to a different channel before now. This will only help against the smaller fry and will weaken security for the rest of us who care about it.

No. Our security services through Cheltenham HQ have continued to uncover Islamist and Far Right terrorist plots, there are 1,000's of specialists based there combing communications/search histories.

chip · Saturday at 1:24 PM

I'd be more concerned about how the tech companies use our data that the government. I certainly wouldn't expect any data stored in the USA to be any more secure than in, say, China. I don't think the privacy argument overrides the need for the state to sometimes require some individuals/organisations to disclose information when required by a warrant. The Snowden leaks showed how much regard the USA has for your privacy.

Springal · 2025-02-23T19:27:46+0000

All bit of a nonsense. ADP is a new feature, off by default so I doubt most have it turned on.

iMessage is still E2E encrypted so unaffected.

Tech like Cellebrite will still be able to grab contents off most phones if seized by authorities anyway

Cheshire Cat · 2025-02-23T19:31:57+0000

Westdene Seagull said:
More to the point would the people putting this argument forward be happy if the police etc were able to search their own property without notice and without a warrant ?

I think the police can search their own property whenever they like.

Paulie Gualtieri · 2025-02-23T19:34:49+0000

Upgraded to an IPhone 16 pro this afternoon, quite handy as received marketing for a case and screen protector shortly afterwards

Guinness Boy · 2025-02-23T19:42:49+0000

Springal said:
All bit of a nonsense. ADP is a new feature, off by default so I doubt most have it turned on.

iMessage is still E2E encrypted so unaffected.

Tech like Cellebrite will still be able to grab contents off most phones if seized by authorities anyway

Almost like the op has a bit of a dodgy phone history

Han Solo · 2025-02-23T19:53:24+0000

Guinness Boy said:
Nonsense. Pretty much no one had that feature turned on or knew it existed. I’m not sure catching nonces and terrorists is “Orwellian” either.

National security ("chasing terrorists") is literally the reason why people in "1984" accept that societal structure. I'm not saying Orwellian/totalitarian society is good or bad, but the scenario OP described is definitely Orwellian.

Guinness Boy · 2025-02-23T20:22:20+0000

Han Solo said:
National security ("chasing terrorists") is literally the reason why people in "1984" accept that societal structure. I'm not saying Orwellian/totalitarian society is good or bad, but the scenario OP described is definitely Orwellian.

Finding child abusers is Orwellian?

Han Solo · 2025-02-23T20:27:54+0000

Guinness Boy said:
Finding child abusers is Orwellian?

No, the methods are, and the way of legitimising the methods (through pointing at something 99% of people collectively hate and/or fear, like foreign spies, terrorists, trafficking, child abuse or other hideous things. Like I said, I have no opinion on whether Orwellian society is good or bad, but allowing government free acess to all your private information is certainly Orwellian whatever the means are to motivate it.

A1X · 2025-02-23T20:32:42+0000

Han Solo said:
but allowing government free acess to all your private information is certainly Orwellian whatever the means are to motivate it.

Yeah it would be terrible if the Government knew my name, address, date of birth, employment status…

Guinness Boy · 2025-02-23T20:33:02+0000

Han Solo said:
No, the methods are, and the way of legitimising the methods (through pointing at something 99% of people collectively hate and/or fear, like foreign spies, terrorists, trafficking, child abuse or other hideous things. Like I said, I have no opinion on whether Orwellian society is good or bad, but allowing government free acess to all your private information is certainly Orwellian whatever the means are to motivate it.

Ok.

Beyond literary definitions the original post did feel to me like someone who’d be happy to let kiddie fiddlers have their data unchecked so they could carry on doing low level coke deals on their phone, but that’s probably just me.

Han Solo · 2025-02-23T20:50:36+0000

Guinness Boy said:
Ok.

Beyond literary definitions the original post did feel to me like someone who’d be happy to let kiddie fiddlers have their data unchecked so they could carry on doing low level coke deals on their phone, but that’s probably just me.

No, its not just you. It was a long time ago mass surveillance caused big issues in Europe, so most people will agree with your take, regardless of what it means in the bigger picture and if they'd like that society or not.

abc · 2025-02-23T20:52:17+0000

Hugo Rune said:
When referring to some system being “Orwellian”, one must consider, for example, that it’s not the apparatus of control such as a camera that are the evil, it’s the evil people behind them.

Let’s remember that the Gestapo, NKVD and Stasi we’re very successful at creating “Orwellian” societies without advanced CCTV, the internet or mobile phones.

It’ll only be ‘scary’ when our systems of democracy start failing due to social media and disinformation or are overthrown completely. We’ll then start getting the bad actors in charge. Take a look over the pond for your fear and loathing.

Excellent post

pocketseagull · 2025-02-23T20:55:15+0000

Whistleblowers, repressive regimes etc need this protection and losing it because our current Government can probably be trusted is short sighted.

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