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[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 175 42.3%
  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 216 52.2%
  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 20 4.8%

  • Total voters
    414
  • Poll closed .


Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
54,519
Goldstone
I’m not aware of the US sending disposable munitions to Ukraine, enlighten me.

Further to this, from https://snyder.substack.com/p/recou...tm_medium=android&r=4shdhp&triedRedirect=true

"The US has committed, over three years, about $66 billion in humanitarian aid and about $119 billion in military aid. That second figure has to be examined a bit critically. Most of that money stayed in the United States, financing American factories in America and paying American workers. The rest of it was usually not money at all, but weapons, to which were assigned a dollar amount for accounting purposes. Most of the weapons that were actually sent to Ukraine were obsolescing and would never have been used by the United States in a conflict. Instead, they would have been dismantled and thrown away, at cost to the United States taxpayer."
 














Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
54,519
Goldstone
This is from 2022, but I missed it the first time around. Really disappointing to see how poorly the UK fairs. I've tried to teach my kids to use logic to work out if a story is true or not, but most won't. I think teaching kids to be able to identify fact from fiction should be part of the curriculum (I'm adding this here due to Trump constantly lying about, well, everything:



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Klaas

I've changed this
Nov 1, 2017
2,702
This is from 2022, but I missed it the first time around. Really disappointing to see how poorly the UK fairs. I've tried to teach my kids to use logic to work out if a story is true or not, but most won't. I think teaching kids to be able to identify fact from fiction should be part of the curriculum (I'm adding this here due to Trump constantly lying about, well, everything:



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I agree. I think it's vital these days. It's just insane how normalised it has become to accept lies as par for the course.

There are many many reasons to despise Trump but just the fact that he denies the result of a fair election (and incited a riot over it) should be more than enough to disqualify him from running for president.
 


Greg Bobkin

Silver Seagull
May 22, 2012
16,937
This is from 2022, but I missed it the first time around. Really disappointing to see how poorly the UK fairs. I've tried to teach my kids to use logic to work out if a story is true or not, but most won't. I think teaching kids to be able to identify fact from fiction should be part of the curriculum (I'm adding this here due to Trump constantly lying about, well, everything:



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Yeah, but maybe those stats are 'fake news'... ???

:wink:
 




Bakero

Languidly clinical
Oct 9, 2010
15,281
Almería
This is from 2022, but I missed it the first time around. Really disappointing to see how poorly the UK fairs. I've tried to teach my kids to use logic to work out if a story is true or not, but most won't. I think teaching kids to be able to identify fact from fiction should be part of the curriculum (I'm adding this here due to Trump constantly lying about, well, everything:



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Media studies should be a core subject in secondary schools
 


SouthSaxon

Stand or fall
NSC Patron
Jan 25, 2025
110
This is from 2022, but I missed it the first time around. Really disappointing to see how poorly the UK fairs. I've tried to teach my kids to use logic to work out if a story is true or not, but most won't. I think teaching kids to be able to identify fact from fiction should be part of the curriculum (I'm adding this here due to Trump constantly lying about, well, everything:



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There’s a crucial difference between the US and many European countries - the media Fairness Doctrine, which required outlets to cover both sides of an argument, was revoked under the Reagan government. This allows networks to take sides in either direction and leads to the rise of Fox et al.

European networks are required to provide balance. They don’t always get it right, and some try to push the boundaries, but there is a mechanism for accountability. This in itself raises awareness.

Social media is eating away at this. It badly needs bringing under some form of regulation, but this is tricky - are we all media outlets now?
 


Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
54,519
Goldstone
There’s a crucial difference between the US and many European countries - the media Fairness Doctrine, which required outlets to cover both sides of an argument, was revoked under the Reagan government. This allows networks to take sides in either direction and leads to the rise of Fox et al.

Yes I know. They should really bring that law back.
 




BadFish

Huge Member
Oct 19, 2003
19,105
There’s a crucial difference between the US and many European countries - the media Fairness Doctrine, which required outlets to cover both sides of an argument, was revoked under the Reagan government. This allows networks to take sides in either direction and leads to the rise of Fox et al.

European networks are required to provide balance. They don’t always get it right, and some try to push the boundaries, but there is a mechanism for accountability. This in itself raises awareness.

Social media is eating away at this. It badly needs bringing under some form of regulation, but this is tricky - are we all media outlets now?
I seem to remember reading something about the media problems in the US being worse because they don't have a public broadcaster. Again around the idea of providing more balance than privately owned media companies.

I guess this is why certain sections of the media always demonise the public broadcasters, not sure why so many buy into it though.
 








Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
54,519
Goldstone
I seem to remember reading something about the media problems in the US being worse because they don't have a public broadcaster.

I think they do have public broadcasters, but not many people watch them. Fox is the most watched, then CNN, whereas in the UK, the BBC is easily the most watched.
 


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