[Politics] Apple security and the Labour Orwellian state

Zeus · 2025-02-22T10:46:02+0000

This is pretty disturbing imo. Looks like Apple have had to make concessions on what was their primary brand value that user data would never be accessible to anyone but the user and now the government has forced them to remove encryption that protects your data. Even worse why are Labour hell bent on being able to snoop on all of us and erode our rights to privacy? We really are racing into quite scary Orwellian territory imo.

Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row - BBC News

Customers' photos and documents stored online will no longer be protected by end-to-end encryption.

www.bbc.co.uk

Weststander · 2025-02-22T10:54:37+0000

Done for very good reason? Terrorism, enemies of our nation, organised crime.

seagull_special · 2025-02-22T11:04:19+0000

Haven’t they just left the front door, back door, all the windows open with a big sign saying ‘Please Break in’ everything is hackable. What should happen is that the justice system should have access to individual ‘bad actors’ as opposed to everyone.

Labour do seem to be making a pigs ear of it on so many fronts. Trumps election has raised the ‘jeopardy’ level to red.

Guinness Boy · 2025-02-22T11:10:53+0000

Zeus said:
This is pretty disturbing imo. Looks like Apple have had to make concessions on what was their primary brand value that user data would never be accessible to anyone but the user and now the government has forced them to remove encryption that protects your data. Even worse why are Labour hell bent on being able to snoop on all of us and erode our rights to privacy? We really are racing into quite scary Orwellian territory imo.

Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row - BBC News

Customers' photos and documents stored online will no longer be protected by end-to-end encryption.

www.bbc.co.uk

Nonsense. Pretty much no one had that feature turned on or knew it existed. I’m not sure catching nonces and terrorists is “Orwellian” either.

Sorrel · 2025-02-22T11:20:14+0000

Weststander said:
Done for very good reason? Terrorism, enemies of our nation, organised crime.

But anyone who has been paying attention would have moved their files and comms to a different channel before now. This will only help against the smaller fry and will weaken security for the rest of us who care about it.

Hugo Rune · 2025-02-22T11:22:17+0000

When referring to some system being “Orwellian”, one must consider, for example, that it’s not the apparatus of control such as a camera that are the evil, it’s the evil people behind them.

Let’s remember that the Gestapo, NKVD and Stasi we’re very successful at creating “Orwellian” societies without advanced CCTV, the internet or mobile phones.

It’ll only be ‘scary’ when our systems of democracy start failing due to social media and disinformation or are overthrown completely. We’ll then start getting the bad actors in charge. Take a look over the pond for your fear and loathing.

Mustafa II · 2025-02-22T11:26:18+0000

Hugo Rune said:
It’ll only be ‘scary’ when our systems of democracy start failing due to social media and disinformation or are overthrown completely. Well then start getting the bad actors in charge. Take a look over the pond for your fear and loathing.

This is exactly what is happening all around the Western world, not just the US.

Contrary to the OP, I would say Labour one of the governments in this world that CAN be trusted with our data.

HeaviestTed · 2025-02-22T11:26:22+0000

Weststander said:
Done for very good reason? Terrorism, enemies of our nation, organised crime.

Actual terrorists, enemies of the nation, or organised crime aren’t going to be storing their plans on an iPhone.

Chicken Run · 2025-02-22T11:29:53+0000

Zeus said:
This is pretty disturbing imo. Looks like Apple have had to make concessions on what was their primary brand value that user data would never be accessible to anyone but the user and now the government has forced them to remove encryption that protects your data. Even worse why are Labour hell bent on being able to snoop on all of us and erode our rights to privacy? We really are racing into quite scary Orwellian territory imo.

Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row - BBC News

Customers' photos and documents stored online will no longer be protected by end-to-end encryption.

www.bbc.co.uk

Only those with something to hide need fear this, the rest go about our day to day knowing GCHQ have our backs!

Chicken Run · 2025-02-22T11:31:17+0000

Mustafa II said:
This is exactly what is happening all around the Western world, not just the US.

Contrary to the OP, I would say Labour one of the governments in this world that CAN be trusted with our data.

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boik · 2025-02-22T11:32:44+0000

HeaviestTed said:
Actual terrorists, enemies of the nation, or organised crime aren’t going to be storing their plans on an iPhone.

Having worked in IT all my life I think you'd be surprised. A lot of people think they are security conscious and then leave snippets lying around in plain view.

Sorrel · 2025-02-22T11:35:53+0000

HeaviestTed said:
Actual terrorists, enemies of the nation, or organised crime aren’t going to be storing their plans on an iPhone.

Some might, but the publicity for this might mean some will move now. It may even be that this is designed to deflect attention away from where the security focus actually resides.

But looking just at these changes I'd agree that the "Orwellian" aspects are overblown. It's not like legal interception hasn't already existed for years. What the authorities would like is for the same abilities they had before to continue now, but they are unlikely to succeed in getting back to that.

A1X · 2025-02-22T11:36:07+0000

“Stop trying so hard to catch terrorists” is an interesting new attack line

Eeyore · 2025-02-22T11:46:06+0000

Its not that the government monitor almost all internet traffic (they've been doing it for years now) it's more the purposes for which it is done that society has to question. I think we're okay here.

It's interesting how some folk take issue when the biggest data harvesters, such as Google, continue unabated.

Cheshire Cat · 2025-02-22T11:48:03+0000

HeaviestTed said:
Actual terrorists, enemies of the nation, or organised crime aren’t going to be storing their plans on an iPhone.

You'd be surprised

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Peteinblack · 2025-02-22T11:57:40+0000

Zeus said:
This is pretty disturbing imo. Looks like Apple have had to make concessions on what was their primary brand value that user data would never be accessible to anyone but the user and now the government has forced them to remove encryption that protects your data. Even worse why are Labour hell bent on being able to snoop on all of us and erode our rights to privacy? We really are racing into quite scary Orwellian territory imo.

Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row - BBC News

Customers' photos and documents stored online will no longer be protected by end-to-end encryption.

www.bbc.co.uk

You sound a bit paranoid - what have you got to hide, and why do you think Labour want to 'snoop' on you; are you that special, or radical?

You sound like those anti-vaxxers who were convinced that Covid was a conspiracy to inject us with microchips or whatever so 'they' could monitor us and keep us under surveillance.

Guess what - 'they' can keep tracks on your whereabouts and views merely by tracking your Smartphone activity.

Of all the things to worry about in the world today, and you choose to get het up about this!

Creaky · 2025-02-22T12:00:49+0000

Chicken Run said:
Only those with something to hide need fear this, the rest go about our day to day knowing GCHQ have our backs!

This argument comes up every time government agencies gain extra powers, ID cards are proposed etc.

My question to those putting this forward is why do so many of us have curtains?

Chicken Run · 2025-02-22T12:08:56+0000

Creaky said:
This argument comes up every time government agencies gain extra powers, ID cards are proposed etc.

My question to those putting this forward is why do so many of us have curtains?

I’m 55, if you said to me back in 1988 that in the year 2025 i’d be carrying a piece of plastic around that not only Federal Agencies but Foreign Actors could track me & use as a weapon against me, my family and my financial affairs I’d be protesting in the street, yet here we are in a society where people queue up to get the latest model

Btw i have curtains so that those opposite don’t see me naked

Edit, i forgot, to block daylight from April to October when i go to bed at 9pm and rise at 6am

happypig · 2025-02-22T12:10:19+0000

Creaky said:
This argument comes up every time government agencies gain extra powers, ID cards are proposed etc.

My question to those putting this forward is why do so many of us have curtains?

Because my neighbours are ugly c..ts and I dont want to see them.

A1X · 2025-02-22T12:22:48+0000

Creaky said:
My question to those putting this forward is why do so many of us have curtains?

Wait…do you think the Government are wanting access to this information so they can share it with all your neighbours?

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