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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)



Triggaaar

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The sooner those videos of ‘Russian women of night’ defecating on Trumps face are released, the better. I’m speculating about the content but I’m guessing that Trump is into the same shit as Hitler.

Some of us here are are a little innocent - what was Hitler into?
 




Fungus

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Odd that this all seems to be about the minerals as far as the US is concerned one of which is Lithium, an integral part of electric car batteries! I wonder who might actually be driving this deal?
I'm worried that Trump will come after Cornish Lithium if Zelenskyy doesn't sign :eek:
 




raymondo

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But he can't sign something giving away half the country's resources:
I agree, I hope he doesn't sign it Trig...no idea what guarantees come with it, flimsy I guess.
That pressure technique followed exactly what I experienced in my IT career, with a succession of remote US bosses. E.g. "Raymondo has agreed to do this project at half the original budget" ... when I hadn't. Then the pressure was on me (the bad guy) to explain to all and sundry why I wouldn't be accepting that brief.
Familiar stuff to me.
 


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GoldstoneVintage

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BBC News:

Trump attacks Macron and Starmer for not doing anything to stop the war.
He also criticised Zelensky, saying he is sick of him, and didn't deserve a place at the talks with Russia....
Reminds me of a pissed up bloke at the bus station late at night, hurling random abuse at passers by. I still can't comprehend how tens of millions of Americans voted for him., 🤦
 


Triggaaar

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I agree, I hope he doesn't sign it Trig...no idea what guarantees come with it, flimsy I guess.
That pressure technique followed exactly what I experienced in my IT career, with a succession of remote US bosses. E.g. "Raymondo has agreed to do this project at half the original budget" ... when I hadn't. Then the pressure was on me (the bad guy) to explain to all and sundry why I wouldn't be accepting that brief.
Familiar stuff to me.

Your name is actually Raymondo? Or you just get them to call you that for fun?
 
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marlowe

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Yes. Something like $7.5 trillion. For what? It's mad.

Now I understand the daft idea that Trump could put out an outrageous deal, and then meet halfway, but that's not what's happening here. Trump has sided with Putin, against it's closest allies in the UK, Canada, and EU. Please someone explain to me how Trump isn't working for Putin?
Where do you get the $7.5 trillion figure from? The draft proposal which Zelensky wouldn't sign was for $500 billion.

So from what I understand that figure appears to be acceptable to both parties, its just the terms of what will be provided in return for that value which is at issue, which appears to be not a great deal and also with no firm guarantees of anything as Trump still thinks its Europe's responsibility to police the ceasefire.

So Trump wants to reap all the benefits and plaudits but expects Europe to bear full responsibility and costs of maintaining the peace I read somewhere a few days ago that Zelensky wanted Europe to be included as beneficiarys of any such deal regarding the mineral resources.

 










Triggaaar

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Where do you get the $7.5 trillion figure from? The draft proposal which Zelensky wouldn't sign was for $500 billion.

No, early on Trump asked for $500 billion, and Trump said that Zelenskyy agreed. Then Trump asked Zelenskyy to agree to give the US half of their 'rare earth' minerals, which are valued at about $15 trillion.


its just the terms of what will be provided in return for that value which is at issue, which appears to be not a great deal and also with no firm guarantees of anything as Trump still thinks its Europe's responsibility to police the ceasefire.

So Trump wants to reap all the benefits and plaudits but expects Europe to bear full responsibility and costs of maintaining the peace

Yeah there's that as well.

We obviously don't have the actual documents that have been proposed, but the reports claim it's half:

If the US were saying to Zelenskyy that they'd continue to provide support, but would like an agreement that Ukraine would pay for that support using its resources, it's pretty obvious that Zelenskyy would have agreed. Why the f*** wouldn't he? So it seems pretty obvious that Trump has asked for something that's clearly unacceptable. Trump is trying to extort Ukraine.

Imagine if Britain had said to France 'we'll help, but we get half of your resources'.
 


Triggaaar

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I struggle to believe how Trump wouldn’t be into this sort of crap:


From the article: "This hideous revelation comes in wake of the recent claims that Hitler was born with a deformed micropenis and had only one testicle. The reports claimed that Hitler never led a normal sex life due to his deformity"

Yeah, that's a load of made up nonsense isn't it.
 


Hugo Rune

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From the article: "This hideous revelation comes in wake of the recent claims that Hitler was born with a deformed micropenis and had only one testicle. The reports claimed that Hitler never led a normal sex life due to his deformity"

Yeah, that's a load of made up nonsense isn't it.
There are some historians who believe it. But the original sources are very dodgy and have good reasons to fabricate these stories. I choose to believe them because it’s just how I imagine Hitler rolled.
 




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