[Film] Huge changes for 007….

PTC Gull said:

Had a similar thought and it will be a DEI cast as well, which while I am ok with, its not what 007 is about. Wait for the "Tango Man" to claim James Bond is a US hero.

Click to expand...

The Clamp said:

Went from an unpopular model costing around £100 to becoming a sought after one costing about £500 after Skyfall came out

Click to expand...

jcdenton08 said:

I can obviously tell from the majority of the replies here that many aren’t Bond fans - that’s fine. But loads are, like me.

And sorry to be boring and actually discuss the topic at hand, but I am very concerned about what Amazon will do to the franchise.

They haven’t acquired it only in order to make a film every three years. They want a big return on investment. Big shades of Disney’s buying Star Wars. Multiple spin-offs of varying quality and saturation of the brand. Exactly what Barbara Broccoli was so against.

Keeping Bond as a rare treat is fully in line with the character and with the Bond universe. He is portrayed as “premium” in everything he does, the designer watches, the cars, the stunning women.

A Bond movie every three to five years is an EVENT and whether you enjoy Bond movies or not, it gets everyone talking. From the casting, to the theme song - it’s always a highlight of the cinematic year and intrudes into wider culture.

I personally think having a Q spin off series, a Moneypenny spin off series, origin stories for pre-007 Bond and all the other ideas they’ll be developing hugely cheapens the brand.

Back in the day, there were three Star Wars movies and the series was considered a classic. Then they said, “instead of making no more money… why don’t we make loads more money?” and made another three. And another three. And spin off movies. And spin off series. And animated series. And a multiverse, and Lego Star Wars and comics and so on.

And now that franchise has long been a joke; but at least Disney made a shit ton of money.

This is exactly what I see happening to Bond.

Oh and I bet they do something silly with the casting. Amazon will want Americans in this.

Click to expand...

Iggle Piggle said:

You are right though @jcdenton08 They will butcher and murder the franchise. Disney and Paramount have killed Star Trek and Star wars by trying to make it appeal to everyone. Unfortunately, most of it appeals to no one. The studios got complacent and thought the long term fans would watch it anyway. By trying to make lots of "content"for everyone, they've killed the brands. No one is watching Strange new worlds or Skeleton crew. Most people don't even know it's existence.

Bond kills people and goes out for a Martini, game of cards and pulls the best looking girl in the casino to celebrate. Good luck making all that compatible with the core and modern audiences.

Click to expand...

jcdenton08 said:

I can obviously tell from the majority of the replies here that many aren’t Bond fans - that’s fine. But loads are, like me.

And sorry to be boring and actually discuss the topic at hand, but I am very concerned about what Amazon will do to the franchise.

They haven’t acquired it only in order to make a film every three years. They want a big return on investment. Big shades of Disney’s buying Star Wars. Multiple spin-offs of varying quality and saturation of the brand. Exactly what Barbara Broccoli was so against.

Keeping Bond as a rare treat is fully in line with the character and with the Bond universe. He is portrayed as “premium” in everything he does, the designer watches, the cars, the stunning women.

A Bond movie every three to five years is an EVENT and whether you enjoy Bond movies or not, it gets everyone talking. From the casting, to the theme song - it’s always a highlight of the cinematic year and intrudes into wider culture.

I personally think having a Q spin off series, a Moneypenny spin off series, origin stories for pre-007 Bond and all the other ideas they’ll be developing hugely cheapens the brand.

Back in the day, there were three Star Wars movies and the series was considered a classic. Then they said, “instead of making no more money… why don’t we make loads more money?” and made another three. And another three. And spin off movies. And spin off series. And animated series. And a multiverse, and Lego Star Wars and comics and so on.

And now that franchise has long been a joke; but at least Disney made a shit ton of money.

This is exactly what I see happening to Bond.

Oh and I bet they do something silly with the casting. Amazon will want Americans in this.

Click to expand...

jcdenton08 said:

I can obviously tell from the majority of the replies here that many aren’t Bond fans - that’s fine. But loads are, like me.

And sorry to be boring and actually discuss the topic at hand, but I am very concerned about what Amazon will do to the franchise.

They haven’t acquired it only in order to make a film every three years. They want a big return on investment. Big shades of Disney’s buying Star Wars. Multiple spin-offs of varying quality and saturation of the brand. Exactly what Barbara Broccoli was so against.

Keeping Bond as a rare treat is fully in line with the character and with the Bond universe. He is portrayed as “premium” in everything he does, the designer watches, the cars, the stunning women.

A Bond movie every three to five years is an EVENT and whether you enjoy Bond movies or not, it gets everyone talking. From the casting, to the theme song - it’s always a highlight of the cinematic year and intrudes into wider culture.

I personally think having a Q spin off series, a Moneypenny spin off series, origin stories for pre-007 Bond and all the other ideas they’ll be developing hugely cheapens the brand.

Back in the day, there were three Star Wars movies and the series was considered a classic. Then they said, “instead of making no more money… why don’t we make loads more money?” and made another three. And another three. And spin off movies. And spin off series. And animated series. And a multiverse, and Lego Star Wars and comics and so on.

And now that franchise has long been a joke; but at least Disney made a shit ton of money.

This is exactly what I see happening to Bond.

Oh and I bet they do something silly with the casting. Amazon will want Americans in this.

Click to expand...

WSU Dilettante said:

They're either going to do a really good job, or they're going to absolutely butcher it.

Barbara Broccoli was fiercely defensive of the legacy she (and her step-brother) were left.
They covered this recently on the Rest is Entertainment podcast and they said that in a meeting with Amazon she was outraged when someone on the Amazon side referred to James Bond as 'content', which is quite telling about how Amazon view the Bond 'franchise'.

Click to expand...

Harry Wilson's tackle said:

I disagree with a small point about Star Wars. I understood there were always meant to be 9 movies. I read that in the 70s (and thought it was all a bit silly so I never saw any of the movies till 30 years later).

Click to expand...

Couldn't Be Hyypia said:

Not sure where the idea of occasionally released gems came from.

Perhaps in recent years as the popularity has declined?

View attachment 197084

Click to expand...

jcdenton08 said:

I think you’ve misunderstood my point.

That is the entirety of the Bond output on screen in the last six decades. There have been no spin-off TV shows, no origin stories for Felix Leiter, no The Adventures of Q, no Miss Moneypenny Investigates. This has been deliberate to keep the movies an event.

Now Amazon has taken over creative control, we are going to be saturated with Bond content, and as always, when the quantity goes up, the quality goes down.

Edit: I’m not sure where you got that the popularity has declined has come from? No Time to Die made $886m in the box office, well over $1.2bn including rentals and home sales. Spectre is in the top five, and number one is Skyfall, which while 13 years ago now is still one of the most recent Bond films.

Click to expand...

JBizzle said:

Well that's total balls for a start Strange New Worlds consistently ranked in the top 10 streaming shows for it's last series in 2023. It's actually an unqualified success, hence it being renewed for season 3 and season 4.

Strange New Worlds and Skeleton Crew are really enjoyable, that's speaking as someone who has loved both franchises since the 80s and as the father of a 10 year old who adored Lower Decks, Prodigy and Skeleton Crew.

Star Wars has been far more patchy in terms of overall quality to be fair, but otherwise almost the entirely of your post is total nonsense.

Click to expand...

jcdenton08 said:

I think you’ve misunderstood my point.

That is the entirety of the Bond output on screen in the last six decades. There have been no spin-off TV shows, no origin stories for Felix Leiter, no The Adventures of Q, no Miss Moneypenny Investigates. This has been deliberate to keep the movies an event.

Now Amazon has taken over creative control, we are going to be saturated with Bond content, and as always, when the quantity goes up, the quality goes down.

Edit: I’m not sure where you got that the popularity has declined has come from? No Time to Die made $886m in the box office, well over $1.2bn including rentals and home sales. Spectre is in the top five, and number one is Skyfall, which while 13 years ago now is still one of the most recent Bond films.

Click to expand...

Iggle Piggle said:

Strange New Worlds is alright as was the early series of Discovery but....The later series of Discovery are shite, Section 31 movie is shite and the rebooted films all had their problems to say the least.

As for Star Wars, the new films bar Rogue one are all a mess, The Acolyte was shite, Ashoka is so so, The book of Bobby fett is laughably bad and Andor is excellent. Skeleton crew maybe good but my point is we've given up watching or caring. We watched the first one and haven't made it to 2. My lads would rather watch the excellent Severance or Silo rather than staggering through another star wars series. Our goodwill probably ended with the Acolyte.

Put it this way, It's all a far cry from Empire and Wrath of Khan. As I'm pretty sure whatever Amazon will do to Bond will be from Russia with love or Casino Royale.

Click to expand...