[Sussex] Southern Water rip off

WATFORD zero · Jan 31, 2025

Silver f Chariot said:
Yeah they probably do deserve their payrise - Who are you to say they don't what's your criteria..

Another "ranter" with no logical argument... "Shareholders dividends"... What a load of sh... I don;'t benefit from that.."

I think I can see where you're coming from.

If you ignore all facts, figures and logic, then yeah, they're probably doing a great job :laugh:

Silver f Chariot · Jan 31, 2025

WATFORD zero said:
I think I can see where you're coming from.

If you ignore all facts, figures and logic, then yeah, they're probably doing a great job

The exec team ahve generated a 284 million pound for the business. - I'd say that isn't ignoring the facts

Oh_aye · Jan 31, 2025

Cordwainer said:
Great analogy..the difference between a couple of pennies and a couple of hundred pounds if not more a year. Presumably the tea still tastes like tea as you drink it, rather than leak all over your clothes or cause the deaths of thousands of aquatic flora n fauna after your pour the remnants down the sink?
Where’s dunce and his ROFL emoji when you need him?

Also, a consumer can always choose to buy a different or cheaper tea bag. Or indeed no tea at all. Everyone needs water. There is a geographical monopoly on a completely necessary public service and they are being rinsed for profit.

Seems mad to work hard to minimise that and blame it all on 'tabloid headlines'

A1X · Jan 31, 2025

Silver f Chariot said:
The exec team ahve generated a 284 million pound for the business. - I'd say that isn't ignoring the facts

And in what world is £284 deemed "not enough"?

Silver f Chariot · Jan 31, 2025

jcdenton08 said:
Jesus, their performance.

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/52/environment-food-and-rural-affairs-committee/news/204518/southern-water-to-face-efra-committee-following-price-review-and-water-outages/

They literally went before MPs this month to explain why they are so shit.

And that summons isn’t even about the sewage crises they’ve inflicted on the environment, which is a massive issue in its own right

Are the ultimate " judges" of their performance not the shareholders ? The government might not like it, but that' up to them to put in place regulations for the companies to abide by and be accountable to? - They've done this and made a profit? - I'd say that's pretty solid performance?

Government have failed to do this with regulation and yet you are promoting you want the same "government" to "nationalise" water companies the government can run them?

Weststander · Jan 31, 2025

Water utility and railways (the lot) should be 100% owned by the state.

That wouldn’t necessarily give lower charges.

But it just should be.

bluenitsuj · Jan 31, 2025

Silver f Chariot said:
How much do you think it costs to run a water company? "exobtiant rates".. Interesting thought process.. Prices going up by 47% increase is just a catchy way of the media to grab headlines.. If I put prices up of a tea bag from to 2p to 3p its a 50% increase... % can get them to show you what you want....

If you have a fetish of bathing in teabags and watering your garden with teabags then good luck

Silver f Chariot · Jan 31, 2025

Oh_aye said:
Also, a consumer can always choose to buy a different or cheaper tea bag. Or indeed no tea at all. Everyone needs water. There is a geographical monopoly on a completely necessary public service and they are being rinsed for profit.

Seems mad to work hard to minimise that and blame it all on 'tabloid headlines'

buy you do have a choice to buy different water..

There's plenty of bottled form in the supermarkets. However you choose not to do so. -

Silver f Chariot · Jan 31, 2025

bluenitsuj said:
If you have a fetish of bathing in teabags and watering your garden with teabags then good luck

another sound argument presented forward with a great solution.

Well done..

jcdenton08 · Jan 31, 2025

Silver f Chariot said:
buy you do have a choice to buy different water..

There's plenty of bottled form in the supermarkets. However you choose not to do so. -

You’re trolling of course? I hope?

Silver f Chariot · Jan 31, 2025

Weststander said:
Water utility and railways (the lot) should be 100% owned by the state.

That wouldn’t necessarily give lower charges.

But it just should be.

I agree..

However taking away from privatisation does not fix the issue of chronic lack of investment that has been made and the continual argument of how it gets funded.

WATFORD zero · Jan 31, 2025

Weststander said:
Water utility and railways (the lot) should be 100% owned by the state.

That wouldn’t necessarily give lower charges.

But it just should be.

I didn't come here for a lecture in communism :wink:

jcdenton08 · Jan 31, 2025

WATFORD zero said:
I didn't come here for a lecture in communism

Sadly, people who haven’t got a clue how communism works actually think this way unironically.

Cordwainer · Jan 31, 2025

Silver f Chariot said:
Brilliant response.. well structured argument....

So You highlighted in your original response that things have gone up by 47% and then in the next sentence claim that a 50% increase is fine as its only pennies"

And you asked for the Dunce Emoji....... Well done.

Tell me your solution for change and what the water company can do? - what's your plan? - or is it just to whinge and moan and join the rest of the "Outrage"...

Good grief. The pennies obvs relates to your point about price increase of tea bags, the hundreds of pounds relates to proposed water company charge increases. ROFL emoji asked for not dunce emoji. And as you appear to have missed it twice:

About us | Dŵr Cymru Welsh Water

Welsh Water is the sixth largest of the ten regulated water and sewerage companies in England and Wales.

corporate.dwrcymru.com

Many other companies operate in the same manner should you care to search for them.
Can’t believe I’ve just had to explain that.

Eeyore · Jan 31, 2025

Weststander said:
Water utility and railways (the lot) should be 100% owned by the state.

That wouldn’t necessarily give lower charges.

But it just should be.

I agree, mostly. I would argue that the telecommunications privitisation was a success.

But, yes, it wouldn't mean lower costs as a lot of these utilities run on narrow margins. Such as railways which still depend on subsidies.

Weststander · Jan 31, 2025

Silver f Chariot said:
I agree..

However taking away from privatisation does not fix the issue of chronic lack of investment that has been made and the continual argument of how it gets funded.

Water - a huge saving would be not paying sky high interest on borrowings/corporate bonds. Also (but this gets exaggerated) not paying dividends. With the saving, freeing up cash for investment.

Silver f Chariot · Jan 31, 2025

Cordwainer said:
Good grief. The pennies obvs relates to your point about price increase of tea bags, the hundreds of pounds relates to proposed water company charge increases. ROFL emoji asked for not dunce emoji. And as you appear to have missed it twice:

About us | Dŵr Cymru Welsh Water

Welsh Water is the sixth largest of the ten regulated water and sewerage companies in England and Wales.

corporate.dwrcymru.com

Many other companies operate in the same manner should you care to search for them.
Can’t believe I’ve just had to explain that.

Oh I see, Sorry I missed your logic that saying a 47% increase is ridiculous yet a 50% one isn't? my bad.. "Dunce emoji"

So maybe yo try the next question that you've decided to ignore

What is the solution? - are you implying its Welsh water? - How is this going to happen?

Silver f Chariot · Jan 31, 2025

Weststander said:
Water - a huge saving would be not paying sky high interest on borrowings/corporate bonds. Also (but this gets exaggerated) not paying dividends. With the saving, freeing up cash for investment.

How are you going to attract the investment without paying a dividend or any form of return for the investor?

Cordwainer · Jan 31, 2025

Silver f Chariot said:
Oh I see, Sorry I missed your logic that saying a 47% increase is ridiculous yet a 50% one isn't? my bad.. "Dunce emoji"

So maybe yo try the next question that you've decided to ignore

What is the solution? - are you implying its Welsh water? - How is this going to happen?

Clearly reading thoroughly and subsequent comprehension is not your strong point but see here or better still find some of your own answers out, if of course you have a genuine interest. I’ve got a life to be getting on with.

About us | Dŵr Cymru Welsh Water

Welsh Water is the sixth largest of the ten regulated water and sewerage companies in England and Wales.

corporate.dwrcymru.com

Weststander · Jan 31, 2025

Eeyore said:
I agree, mostly. I would argue that the telecommunications privitisation was a success.

But, yes, it wouldn't mean lower costs as a lot of these utilities run on narrow margins. Such as railways which still depend on subsidies.

I agree. It wasn’t a paradise until 1979. My Dad through his business dealt with the utilities, we heard him cursing the sheer incompetence of outfits such as Mid Sussex Water.

Railways is a very unique picture discussed in great nsc detail. Our 185 year old irrational network is boxed on by £T’s worth of homes and offices. We can’t start again, Germany got a fresh start due a Harris and the USAF, whilst Switzerland started much later. France build over pristine countryside with TGV’s, highly centralised government meaning objectors are simply overridden.

Even 4 x Corbyn/McDonnell 5 year plans couldn’t replicate the Swiss railways.

But why does the UK make it so much more complicated with the dumb separation of land, operators and rolling stock leasing companies?

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