[Albion] Evan Ferguson

Flounce · Tuesday at 5:04 PM

jackalbion said:
Surely those who watched Evan in his rise through the squads, and breakout into the first team can really think there is not a player in there. On his day I can't think of a more naturally gifted striker I've watched since we had Zamora. We've already let go of one striker who's gone onto to bang in goals, maybe we just aren't very good at spotting the best in strikers.

He doesn’t help himself by looking mardy and not putting in the effort. Why? I have no idea but he has looked way way off being a PL striker for us and Ireland, one quality goal aside. Players that stop trying go the same way as managers who give up, however good they might have been pre whatever their problems are.

I know both Evan and RDZ’s fall from grace are bones of contention for you though, but it’s up to the club how it’s dealt with. We just have to trust TB, he is as big a fan as you or I and he’s doing his talking with his wallet

Zeberdi · Tuesday at 5:04 PM

The Fits said:
We won’t sell him because nobody would pay our asking price. Every player is available at the right price.

Agreed - said much the same thing earlier

WHU can afford it though. They just submitted a £57m bid for Duran (which was turned down) and they are in no danger of breaching PSR at the moment.

With Ferguson ‘injured’, under-performing (one PL goal all season) and not likely to fit into Potter’s style any more than FH’s, he’s not the £100m player he was touted to be in 2022/3 even for us, let alone any prospective buyers sadly.

Beanstalk · Tuesday at 5:08 PM

Zeberdi said:
Agreed - said much the same thing earlier

WHU can afford it though. They just submitted a £57m bid for Duran (which was turned down) and they are in no danger of breaching PSR at the moment.

With Ferguson ‘injured’, under-performing (one PL goal all season) and not likely to fit into Potter’s style any more than FH’s, he’s not the £100m player he was touted to be in 2022/3 even for us, let alone any prospective buyers sadly.

If West Ham can't get Duran and decide to go in at £57m for Fergie, he's gone. No way are the club turning down that sort of money.

jackalbion · Tuesday at 5:08 PM

Flounce said:
He doesn’t help himself by looking mardy and not putting in the effort. Why? I have no idea but he has looked way way off being a PL striker for us and Ireland, one quality goal aside. Players that stop trying go the same way as managers who give up, however good they might have been pre whatever their problems are.

I know both Evan and RDZ’s fall from grace are bones of contention for you though, but it’s up to the club how it’s dealt with. We just have to trust TB, he is as big a fan as you or I and he’s doing his talking with his wallet

There's everything to suggest that RDZ gave up, but there is absolutely nothing to indicate that Ferguson has given up other than you think he looks moody.

pasty · Tuesday at 5:09 PM

jackalbion said:
As much as his recent form hasn't been ideal, before November 23, he has either been playing with an injury, been in surgery, having minimal starts, and very little off the bench, I'm not surprised he's scored 1 in 12 this season. The club should be concentrating on trying to re-kindle that unbelievable form, not selling him off to a rival, just in case he is a dud, and as much chance that he isn't and he goes on to be another striker we let go.

This. Really don’t want to see us sell him this window. My instinct has this as another Gyokeres if we do.

Flounce · Tuesday at 5:09 PM

jackalbion said:
There's everything to suggest that RDZ gave up, but there is absolutely nothing to indicate that Ferguson has given up other than you think he looks moody.

Yes there is, he has put in minimal effort whenever I’ve seen him this season for us or Ireland.

Personally I’d keep him here but who knows what goes on in the background.

tstanbur · Tuesday at 5:11 PM

Flounce said:
He doesn’t help himself by looking mardy and not putting in the effort.

This is the main issue for me.

At least Enciso was obviously putting it in when he got similar minutes this season.

Fergie has been a passenger, no effect on games when he's played for a while now (the odd goal aside).

And yes, you can still affect games in 10 mins off the bench (before that lazy excuse is rolled out).

I've no idea what has happened to him, he was a machine when he first broke into the team.

jackalbion · Tuesday at 5:12 PM

Flounce said:
Yes there is, he has put in minimal effort whenever I’ve seen him this season for us or Ireland.

He's a finisher, if his service is completely shite, what is he meant to do, his job is to finish, every time he has come on, we have fed him scraps. The one time he was given a good chance he fired it home harder than any striker has for us this season. To suggest he's given up is unfair.

Beanstalk · Tuesday at 5:12 PM

jackalbion said:
There's everything to suggest that RDZ gave up, but there is absolutely nothing to indicate that Ferguson has given up other than you think he looks moody.

I'm not even sure there is much to suggest RDZ gave up. 2 PL wins in 11 is the same run that we just went on and no one is throwing that book at FH.

People don't just give up either. They can hit long patches of bad form or run out of steam either mentally or physically. The idea that they stop trying is silly talk.

Hugo Rune · Tuesday at 5:13 PM

jackalbion said:
As much as his recent form hasn't been ideal, before November 23, he has either been playing with an injury, been in surgery, having minimal starts, and very little off the bench, I'm not surprised he's scored 1 in 12 this season. The club should be concentrating on trying to re-kindle that unbelievable form, not selling him off to a rival, just in case he is a dud, and as much chance that he isn't and he goes on to be another striker we let go.

I kind of agree.

Looking at him this season, I’d say he needs a good run in a top team to have a chance of regaining any previous high level form. Like at least 6 games in a row of 90mins or so as a proper No.9. Unfortunately, we can’t take that journey with him whilst we have a fit Pedro, Welbeck, Rutter and possibly Tzimas.

Ideally, he finds form on loan and returns but perhaps the bit of his possible permanent exit story that needs decoding is the ‘what is best for the player’ bit. Perhaps he really wants to leave.

Springal · Tuesday at 5:13 PM

tstanbur said:
This is the main issue for me.

At least Enciso was obviously putting it in when he got similar minutes this season.

Fergie has been a passenger, no effect on games when he's played for a while now (the odd goal aside).

And yes, you can still affect games in 10 mins off the bench (before that lazy excuse is rolled out).

I've no idea what has happened to him, he was a machine when he first broke into the team.

Agree - if you think you’re being short changed for minutes the best thing to do is work hard when you get minutes. There’s no evidence of that.

But I do find it strange the club are willing to get rid already

tstanbur · Tuesday at 5:14 PM

jackalbion said:
He's a finisher, if his service is completely shite, what is he meant to do, his job is to finish, every time he has come on, we have fed him scraps. The one time he was given a good chance he fired it home harder than any striker has for us this season. To suggest he's given up is unfair.

He's more than just a finisher, or he was.

When he broke into the team he offered a lot more than just goals.

His work-rate and link up play was very impressive.

He had the lot.

Have a look at this, a different player to what we've seen for a while.

John Byrnes Mullet · Tuesday at 5:19 PM

What's going on at our club? There is obviously a fall out. Having a puppet coach who sits on the fence does not help. I'm sure RDZ would have told us what was going in this saga. If RDZ had stayed I'm also sure Fergue, Encisco and FB would be flourishing now.

Bozza · Tuesday at 5:24 PM

Have I missed something somewhere?

A lot of posts seem to indicate that Ferguson actively wants to leave and/or is attempting to force his own departure.

Are there any reports indicating that?

The Albion being willing to sell at the right (and high) price does not necessarily mean Ferguson himself is trying to engineer an escape.

jackalbion · Tuesday at 5:30 PM

tstanbur said:
He's more than just a finisher, or he was.

When he broke into the team he offered a lot more than just goals.

His work-rate and link up play was very impressive.

He had the lot.

Have a look at this, a different player to what we've seen for a while.

That I don't believe is down to his attitude, is he still injured, is carrying an illness, no one knows, I think a lot of his mismanagement comes down to RDZ possibly playing him through an injury, theres no doubt in my mind the way the club have managed Ferguson over the last season, has been poor. Too many are indicating that he's given up/doesn't care, which I think is a massive over reach. Its a combination/injury lay off IMO, he just needs a good run, which is why a loan to Leverkusen for example is a good idea, but a sale is lunacy.

Weststander · Tuesday at 5:35 PM

If ‘ITK’ nsc’ers blame RDZ for Ferguson’s lack of goals last season, playing him through injury.

Please will the same insiders reveal why Ferguson’s complete game is awful in season 2024/25?

Zeus · Tuesday at 5:40 PM

Wardy's twin said:
the algorithm threw up some strange purchases this summer and doesn't look to have been balanced given the need for some cover at the back.

The algorithm throws up lots of players in all position all the time. Someone at the club and I’m sure with the endorsement of Tony thought loads of cams and wingers was sensible in the summer. I’m sure potential profit was a driver.

Zeus · Tuesday at 5:41 PM

jackalbion said:
There's everything to suggest that RDZ gave up, but there is absolutely nothing to indicate that Ferguson has given up other than you think he looks moody.

He really doesn’t run much when he plays which isn’t a great sign.

Stumpy Tim · Tuesday at 5:47 PM

I hope he goes on loan to Leverkusen. I've got tickets for Leverkusen v Werder Bremer in March

Bozza · Tuesday at 5:49 PM

Stumpy Tim said:
I hope he goes on loan to Leverkusen. I've got tickets for Leverkusen v Werder Bremer in March

He's injured then, sorry.

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