[Albion] Club cancelling ST due to non-attendance

dsr-burnley · 2025-01-22T09:52:08+0000

jcdenton08 said:
They get consideration. That’s why they’re allowed to cancel a huge portion of their games by 2pm the day of the game.

I appreciate you’re on a wind up and don’t actually believe the things you’re saying, but the more gullible and easily led on here respond well to hyperbole.

The alternative is empty stands as people buy season tickets and only go to 1 in 6 games when we play the bigger teams.

Surely you mean "the day before the game"?

I promise you, you won't have empty stands if you fail to kick out the pensioners. Burnley have no such rules and we didn't have empty stands in the PL, and still don't in the Championship.

(PS - Don't put down your fellow supporters. This "I am clever and people who disagree are stupid" attitude can be a bit tiresome.)

jcdenton08 · 2025-01-22T09:53:13+0000

dsr-burnley said:
Surely you mean "the day before the game"?

I promise you, you won't have empty stands if you fail to kick out the pensioners. Burnley have no such rules and we didn't have empty stands in the PL, and still don't in the Championship.

(PS - Don't put down your fellow supporters. This "I am clever and people who disagree are stupid" attitude can be a bit tiresome.)

I didn’t actually know you’re a Brighton fan, I don’t pay you much mind but I can’t remember seeing you post much about the team. My apologies.

Creaky · 2025-01-22T09:55:51+0000

jcdenton08 said:
They get consideration. That’s why they’re allowed to cancel a huge portion of their games by 2pm the day of the game.

I appreciate you’re on a wind up and don’t actually believe the things you’re saying, but the more gullible and easily led on here respond well to hyperbole.

The alternative is empty stands as people buy season tickets and only go to 1 in 6 games when we play the bigger teams.

NOT 2pm on the day of the game - if it were that would be ideal.

It's 2pm on the day BEFORE the game.

jcdenton08 · 2025-01-22T09:59:49+0000

Creaky said:
NOT 2pm on the day of the game - if it were that would be ideal.

It's 2pm on the day BEFORE the game.

Apologies, that was an aberration, but the point still stands.

Creaky · 2025-01-22T10:10:19+0000

jcdenton08 said:
Apologies, that was an aberration, but the point still stands.

It doesn't for me unfortunately but that's not the clubs problem.

As someone who has serious heart problems and has regular angina attacks I quite often won't know until the day of the game - an attack the day before won't stop me going. I've missed 3 games so far this season and each time I have listed my ticket on the exchange on the day of the game - they've sold each time.

As I said earlier I am at least grateful that the club has now made it's T&C clear so I can make an informed decision regarding my ST renewal.

Weststander · 2025-01-22T10:11:41+0000

Herr Tubthumper said:
Only to be let down by his mate @mile oak who will have had a family emergency, travel issues, work commitments, a migraine, Covid, locked in a courtroom overnight and kidnapped by aliens for the umpteenth time this season.

It takes 3.5 hours to get from the Amex to Mile Oak, thanks to Southern Rail and @jackalbion

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Herr Tubthumper · 2025-01-22T10:12:17+0000

dsr-burnley said:
Until very recently, it was assumed at all clubs that the purchase of a season ticket would buy you exactly that. The club got the guaranteed income, the customer got the guaranteed seat.

Now, many clubs have found that while there is a shortage of seats, they have the power to chuck out the less profitable customers and replace them with some who will pay more money. Short term gain, certainly. Long term gain, perhaps not, because alienating the die-hards is not good policy if the going gets tough.

Be that as it may, you're happy that the club should chuck out long standing supporters in poor health because it's profitable to do so; I'm not. Fine. End of.

The die-hards will awlays be at the game, surely? This is the very definition of a die-hard.

dsr-burnley · 2025-01-22T10:15:26+0000

jcdenton08 said:
I didn’t actually know you’re a Brighton fan, I don’t pay you much mind but I can’t remember seeing you post much about the team. My apologies.

I'm not a Brighton fan, but I am a football fan. The clue to who I support is in my user name. It's no secret.

jcdenton08 · 2025-01-22T10:17:48+0000

dsr-burnley said:
I'm not a Brighton fan, but I am a football fan. The clue to who I support is in my user name. It's no secret.

“Don’t put down your fellow supporters”? I was putting your point down

Herr Tubthumper · 2025-01-22T10:22:22+0000

dsr-burnley said:
It is not a "simple process" to wake up on Saturday morning, realise you aren't fit to attend the game, and put your ticket on the exchange before the deadline. It is an impossible process.

You simply aren't understanding the point. Elderly/unfit/poorly people don't necessarily know whether or not they will be fit to travel until the last minute. I believe these people deserve consideration.

A season ticket is a season long commitment. It's a two-way street, the club give you a discount in return for you turning up at each game. If you cannot make this comittment then do not buy a season ticket. If you do cherry pick games then you are denying a fellow fan, who can commit, the benefit of a ST. As I have said before, some people seem to want all the benefits without the comittment. This is quite a selfish attitude and shits on fellow fans.

Justice · 2025-01-22T10:24:43+0000

dsr-burnley said:
The clue to who I support is in my user name. It's no secret.

DSR Utd

Professor Plum · 2025-01-22T10:26:27+0000

dsr-burnley said:
I'm not a Brighton fan, but I am a football fan. The clue to who I support is in my user name. It's no secret.

Oh FFS. So this doesn’t even affect you, despite all these heart-rending objections and appeals to change the proposal? This Brighton fan you’ve been protecting doesn’t actually exist. Stop wasting our freakin' time then. Surely there’s some genuine grievance you could be expressing on a Burnley forum?

Brian Munich · 2025-01-22T10:28:13+0000

dsr-burnley said:
I'm not a Brighton fan, but I am a football fan. The clue to who I support is in my user name. It's no secret.

Why not piss off and worry about your own club and their American owners who presumably had zero prior affiliation with Burnley then?

To be honest, I think most of us appreciate that our owner is a life-long benevolent fan, and that policies like this don't have a sinister motive and are for the benefit of all - bigger crowds, better chance of availability of match-by-match tickets, pro-rata refunds etc..

Herr Tubthumper · 2025-01-22T10:29:40+0000

dsr-burnley said:
It is not a "simple process" to wake up on Saturday morning, realise you aren't fit to attend the game, and put your ticket on the exchange before the deadline. It is an impossible process.

You simply aren't understanding the point. Elderly/unfit/poorly people don't necessarily know whether or not they will be fit to travel until the last minute. I believe these people deserve consideration.

As a follow up, and to return the airlines analogy, if you want more flexibility then buy a 1901 ticket. This obviously costs more, but then so does a fully flexible air or train ticket.

Creaky · 2025-01-22T11:12:02+0000

Herr Tubthumper said:
As a follow up, and to return the airlines analogy, if you want more flexibility then buy a 1901 ticket. This obviously costs more, but then so does a fully flexible air or train ticket.

If only - there is quite a long waiting list - what to do until my invite comes?

Just have to be patient

Herr Tubthumper · 2025-01-22T11:18:10+0000

Creaky said:
If only - there is quite a long waiting list - what to do until my invite comes?

Just have to be patient

If you're serious, maybe try and buy one privately by placing an ad on this site?

Commander · 2025-01-22T11:24:10+0000

Herr Tubthumper said:
If you're serious, maybe try and buy one privately by placing an ad on this site?

Indeed. I bought mine through this very website.

CheeseRolls · 2025-01-22T11:42:37+0000

dsr-burnley said:
Surely you mean "the day before the game"?

I promise you, you won't have empty stands if you fail to kick out the pensioners. Burnley have no such rules and we didn't have empty stands in the PL, and still don't in the Championship.

(PS - Don't put down your fellow supporters. This "I am clever and people who disagree are stupid" attitude can be a bit tiresome.)

As usual with this stuff there are people that are genuinely inconvenienced by these changes. My glass half full view is that they are not the main targets. I would also add that what works in Burnley may not work for Brighton, even though the generalisation that we are all football fans does apply.

I did a quick google for Burnley season ticket sales, but couldn't find a number, so I am not sure what percentage of the ground is sold to season ticket holders? I don't have an axe to grind with Burnley by the way, the club is incredibly well supported.

What I did see was a Fulham Burnley premier league fixture where Fulham season ticket holders could buy 4 tickets for the away fixture. We generally have good away support and would rarely see such an offering, so people are keen to collect loyalty points to make sure they can go to the away fixtures they want to see.

Brighton does have a solid core of support, but there are more than a few colourful characters around. For example when we were at Withdean with a capacity of around 6,000 it was incredibly hard to get match tickets and a class of supporters emerged who were dealing in tickets. The main benefit of which rather than financial gain appeared to be to loudly boast how they knew people and could always get tickets. Once the capacity was increased these people lost interest and for some of the less attractive fixtures attendances dropped.

Apologies for the stereotyping, but Burnley has keen season ticket pricing and I doubt i would offend you if I were to say that people are generally careful with their money. Brighton has a small but significant number of people who are far less careful and there are people who own season tickets and cherry pick their fixtures. Given it is straightforward to list a ticket and you get back most of your money back, how much effort is it to list a ticket?

When you have a season ticket waiting list and people looking to snap up tickets for one off matches, how much value is there in retaining season ticket holders who have to work on a Saturday, or only want to watch the big 6? We had a similar crack down a couple of seasons ago, where away tickets especially for London games were passing through to coked up casuals who barely paid any attention to the game and mainly irritated and inconvenienced those around them. The tighter controls around ticket distribution can be an inconvenience, but the result is genuine fans now stand a better chance of getting tickets.

amexer · 2025-01-22T13:13:16+0000

Herr Tubthumper said:
A season ticket is a season long commitment. It's a two-way street, the club give you a discount in return for you turning up at each game. If you cannot make this comittment then do not buy a season ticket. If you do cherry pick games then you are denying a fellow fan, who can commit, the benefit of a ST. A s I have said before, some people seem to want all the benefits without the comittment. This is quite a selfish attitude and shits on fellow fans.

If you are unable to attend some games how come one is denying a fan the benefit of a ST. In last 2 years have not heard of anybody unable to get a ST . There is not a waiting list and tickets are available every game. Even Everton game Sat 3pm KO and just 3 days before 500 tickets available
Fair enough club want tickets on exchange so they can make £20/30 not because they want less empty seats.. There were far less empty seats when able to pass ticket on

atomised · 2025-01-22T13:32:17+0000

Herr Tubthumper said:
A season ticket is a season long commitment. It's a two-way street, the club give you a discount in return for you turning up at each game. If you cannot make this comittment then do not buy a season ticket. If you do cherry pick games then you are denying a fellow fan, who can commit, the benefit of a ST. As I have said before, some people seem to want all the benefits without the comittment. This is quite a selfish attitude and shits on fellow fans.

I agree to a certain extent. I buy a season ticket with the intention of attending 19 games. I don't believe I'm shitting on fellow fans when I only end up attending 14 or 15.sometimes work gets in the way for me and when it does my ticket always goes on the exchange and always sells. I'm gutted I'm not going on Saturday because I had something scheduled. I went to take my ticket off the exchange and it had already sold.

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