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[News] Spain plans 100% tax on non-EU owned homes



Dave the OAP

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I don’t think so. I have friends with 2nd homes in, have a guess, and I’m haven’t heard them talk about this. I can ask.
I was talking to a guy on holiday last year from dortmund and he was saying that a lot of Germans had to give up their homes due to a tax by their government.

perhaps that was a while ago.
 




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I'm pretty sure the reason this tax is being proposed for non-EU purchasers is because they cannot apply it to EU residents. It doesn't fit in with the freedom of movement provisions.

It's the same general thinking as why Scotland couldn't charge EU residents for university students - they aren't allowed to favour their own residents over other EU residents.
Indeed. So what would have stopped us applying it to non EU residents pre Brexit?

I think it would be a good idea to apply to Russian, Chinese and Middle Eastern billionaires. Not Polish plumbers.
 
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I was talking to a guy on holiday last year from dortmund and he was saying that a lot of Germans had to give up their homes due to a tax by their government.

perhaps that was a while ago.

Thinking a bit more, I do recall there was a loop hole closed a few years back. I can’t remember the exact details but it was to do with you being able to somehow offset domestic tax with foreign property purchases. Wealthy Germans were piling into ever more expensive Majorcan villas, it became quite a known thing, and it started to become a piss take. So they stopped it.
 




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"Non-resident" mean someone who is not living there. It's a statement about where you reside, not about legal status.

I'm pretty sure Sanchez is referring to legal status. If he just said non-EU citizens, it would suggest people from non-member states who have the right to live in Spain would be subject to the tax. Hence he added "non-residents" to make it clear that would not be the case.
 


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This won’t affect anyone who actually lives there more than half of the time though. Which is most of the British ex pats.
 


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This won’t affect anyone who actually lives there more than half of the time though. Which is most of the British ex pats.
True. If you have the right to live there, and do live there, it seems you’ll be fine.
 






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British expats in Spain could be hit with 100% property tax due to 'unprecedented' proposal​


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Sánchez said the tax would specifically target non-EU citizens who don't already live in Spain, suggesting current British residents would not be affected

 


Seagull58

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But they won't be affected will they? Because they have dual nationality, or at least should have if they lived there before Brexit. This will surely only affect anyone post Brexit thinking of moving there. And anyway, people from all over the world move there including millions of illegal immigrants. Sure it's aimed at them more than a few leathery Sun readers (not my words). Still, any opportunity to blame everything and anything on Brexit it seems :)
They are unlikely to have dual nationality but they will, mostly, have Spanish residence. Some of them will not have taken out Spanish residence though, because they spend less than half of each year there.
 




Seagull58

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I drilled into the figures a bit.

About 130,000 Homes sold to Foreigners a year, as per article, 27,000 of those to Non-EU. So if the UK are buying 10% of the total that's 13,000 or 50% of NON-EU purchases.

I suspect this policy will just make Holiday Homes slightly cheaper for rich Germans/French etc to eagerly take up the slack.

There are about 600,000 property sales in Spain a year, can't see how this policy will be making anymore standard housing stock available to the average Spanish family. Seems to be more about political points scoring then any kind of solution to a housing crises.
Many of the property will be 2bedroom apartments and 3 bedroom houses/townhouses, so right in the sweet spot for Spanish families
 


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Many of the property will be 2bedroom apartments and 3 bedroom houses/townhouses, so right in the sweet spot for Spanish families
Probably in Benidorm and Torremolinos though. I can’t imagine too many Spanish families wanting to reside amongst endless cafes selling full English breakfasts, roast dinners and spaghetti bolognese with chips .
 


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Ex-pats are overwhelmingly Remainers.

They’re damaged by Brexiteers who live in Blighty.
Quite so.

People should ignore lazy tropes about expats. We're not living in the British Raj with tiffin and exceptionalism. And you've got to moisturize. :)

Having lived in the ME for 16 years including before and after Brexit, nostalgic patriotism for the home country is often seen in seeing things as they were.

That includes remaining in the EU. Pretty much every Brit that I've come across there still can't believe that those living in Britain voted to leave.

For me and thousands of other British expats, being in the EU is an essential part of being British. We live the connection with other countries every day.

Brexit continues to be both the most astonishing act of economic self-sabotage and also the theft of part of the nation's identity as 'a piece of the continent, a part of the main'.

Britain is paying a heavy price both for its isolationist decision then and for the conspiracy of silence across the house to reverse this catastrophe now.
 




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Quite so.

People should ignore lazy tropes about expats. We're not living in the British Raj with tiffin and exceptionalism. And you've got to moisturize. :)

Having lived in the ME for 16 years including before and after Brexit, nostalgic patriotism for the home country is often seen in seeing things as they were.

That includes remaining in the EU. Pretty much every Brit that I've come across there still can't believe that those living in Britain voted to leave.

For me and thousands of other British expats, being in the EU is an essential part of being British. We live the connection with other countries every day.

Brexit continues to be both the most astonishing act of economic self-sabotage and also the theft of part of the nation's identity as 'a piece of the continent, a part of the main'.

Britain is paying a heavy price both for its isolationist decision then and for the conspiracy of silence across the house to reverse this catastrophe now.

It is astonishing, I recall being in shock in the early hours after the vote, partly because the TV media at one stage on the night suggested the opposite (Farage looked devastated).

And 9 years ago, before nationalism other than in France had really become ‘a thing’ across western Europe.

The rest of the EU lost out too, ease of access to a major economy inhibited. I occasionally follow the markets and funds, European equities have fallen increasingly behind the nimble and innovative US.

A pointless schism that only benefitted the enemies of Europe.
 


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Quite so.

People should ignore lazy tropes about expats. We're not living in the British Raj with tiffin and exceptionalism. And you've got to moisturize. :)

Having lived in the ME for 16 years including before and after Brexit, nostalgic patriotism for the home country is often seen in seeing things as they were.

That includes remaining in the EU. Pretty much every Brit that I've come across there still can't believe that those living in Britain voted to leave.

For me and thousands of other British expats, being in the EU is an essential part of being British. We live the connection with other countries every day.

Brexit continues to be both the most astonishing act of economic self-sabotage and also the theft of part of the nation's identity as 'a piece of the continent, a part of the main'.

Britain is paying a heavy price both for its isolationist decision then and for the conspiracy of silence across the house to reverse this catastrophe now.
Ah, but what about @Westdene Seagull and his tampons?
 


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Many of the property will be 2bedroom apartments and 3 bedroom houses/townhouses, so right in the sweet spot for Spanish families
Surely it's more about location, they will still be competing with well off buyers from the EU and Indeed their own country.
 


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A Spanish solicitor sent me this today which puts it into perspective.

We have recently heard concerning news regarding potential government measures that may make it more difficult—or even impossible—for non-EU citizens to purchase property in Spain. Additionally, there is talk of imposing a 100% tax on property purchases by these citizens.

Firstly, it is important to note that this information stems from a speech given yesterday by the Spanish Prime Minister. At this stage, these are political statements rather than concrete legal measures. This is comparable to the approach often taken by British politicians with so-called "green papers." Such statements are intended to draw public attention and garner political support—particularly, in this case, from hard-left voters and thinkers—without immediate legal implications or short-term implementation.

While this situation warrants attention, there are two key reasons why we should remain cautious but not overly alarmed:

Parliamentary Approval Required:
Any such measures would need to be submitted to the Spanish Parliament for approval. The current government relies on the support of several smaller parties, including a conservative Catalonian party that opposes such initiatives. Without their backing, these measures are unlikely to advance.

Regional Implementation:
Real estate regulations and taxation fall under the jurisdiction of regional governments rather than the national government. The regions of Murcia, Valencia, and Andalusia, currently governed by conservative administrations, are unlikely to implement such measures even if they are approved nationally. For instance, a previous real estate law passed several months ago received minimal attention because the regional government in Murcia chose not to apply it.

In light of these points, there is no immediate cause for significant concern. This appears to be more of a political manoeuvre aimed at deflecting attention from current challenges faced by the national government rather than a genuine attempt to penalize non-EU citizens interested in purchasing property in Spain.

Rest assured, I will keep you informed of any further developments from the government on this matter. In the meantime, I encourage you to avoid undue worry or alarm.

Comin' on here with facts and common sense :rolleyes:
 




Herr Tubthumper

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A Spanish solicitor sent me this today which puts it into perspective.

We have recently heard concerning news regarding potential government measures that may make it more difficult—or even impossible—for non-EU citizens to purchase property in Spain. Additionally, there is talk of imposing a 100% tax on property purchases by these citizens.

Firstly, it is important to note that this information stems from a speech given yesterday by the Spanish Prime Minister. At this stage, these are political statements rather than concrete legal measures. This is comparable to the approach often taken by British politicians with so-called "green papers." Such statements are intended to draw public attention and garner political support—particularly, in this case, from hard-left voters and thinkers—without immediate legal implications or short-term implementation.

While this situation warrants attention, there are two key reasons why we should remain cautious but not overly alarmed:

Parliamentary Approval Required:
Any such measures would need to be submitted to the Spanish Parliament for approval. The current government relies on the support of several smaller parties, including a conservative Catalonian party that opposes such initiatives. Without their backing, these measures are unlikely to advance.

Regional Implementation:
Real estate regulations and taxation fall under the jurisdiction of regional governments rather than the national government. The regions of Murcia, Valencia, and Andalusia, currently governed by conservative administrations, are unlikely to implement such measures even if they are approved nationally. For instance, a previous real estate law passed several months ago received minimal attention because the regional government in Murcia chose not to apply it.

In light of these points, there is no immediate cause for significant concern. This appears to be more of a political manoeuvre aimed at deflecting attention from current challenges faced by the national government rather than a genuine attempt to penalize non-EU citizens interested in purchasing property in Spain.

Rest assured, I will keep you informed of any further developments from the government on this matter. In the meantime, I encourage you to avoid undue worry or alarm.
So it may, or may not happen, and needs to go through parliament. How much do solicitors get paid?
 




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