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[News] Nigel Farage and Reform
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BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Did you mean to quote my post?I dont get it.
The remoaners voted in Labour and starmer ..
And you wonder why the pound is tanking?
NHS is on its knees..
Starmer jailing anyone who apposes him.
Crime rate is going up.
Tax rises to cover the cost of immigration..
Suck it up.. you've made your bed now lie in it..
Yes.. it's going to be get a hell of a lot worse
Recession will cripple this country.. Immigration is a false economy.. and retirement age will rise to 70 because of the extra million people coming into this country every year.
I've never voted .. not even for brexit..and forcing me to vote!.. why? Its not going to make any difference who you vote for.
A long-term outlook is for us to have a recession.. as that's the only way immigration will fall..
Your response really has no relation to what I posted.
Reform do seem to be actively building up a branch structure, which should hopefully help them campaign in elections but I did see a recent poll that suggested it's members are more likely to campaign on line than in person.
I get the whole 'the other two parties have made everything terrible' argument but as a General Election approaches people are going to actually start examine their policies and ask what they can do differently. Also they don't ever make an attempt to compromise with the electorate, which is going to create a ceiling for them.
Also if Farage is sidelined I suspect it will hit them in the polls.
I get the whole 'the other two parties have made everything terrible' argument but as a General Election approaches people are going to actually start examine their policies and ask what they can do differently. Also they don't ever make an attempt to compromise with the electorate, which is going to create a ceiling for them.
Also if Farage is sidelined I suspect it will hit them in the polls.
Stato
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- Dec 21, 2011
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Indeed. The popularity of Johnson and Farage over here and Trump over there shows that a mask of joviality to cover the greed and abhorrent disregard for humanity goes a long way with voters who are not politically engaged (that's the majority of us). Robinson and Tate are too obvious in their unpleasantness. They don't have the 'go for a pint with' factor. Both very much come across as people you'd swap bars to avoid being lectured by.
However, I don't see that Musk's game is anything to do with electoral politics. He's a troll, deliberately stirring discontent to cause fractures wherever possible. It's all a bit Surkov, but done by somebody who is permanently online, a bit thick and so rich and powerful that he is completely disconnected from the world's real opinions of him.
Farage is playing with fire by concluding Begum should be allowed back to the UK.
He is gambling that he has the ability to throw a story out that will make the government uncomfortable but his gammon army are not taking this statement well at all.
Farage’s political instincts seem a little off since Musk indicated he wanted Tommy Robinson in charge rather than the frog face.
He is gambling that he has the ability to throw a story out that will make the government uncomfortable but his gammon army are not taking this statement well at all.
Farage’s political instincts seem a little off since Musk indicated he wanted Tommy Robinson in charge rather than the frog face.
GoldstoneVintage
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Incidentally, I recently read Otto English's 'Fake History', which I thoroughly enjoyed. His 'Fake Heroes' is in my pile ready to read. He has a highly attuned bullshit detector.
I think this is it. In this country (and round Europe) we were guilty of looking at the American elections through our eyes and the opposite is true,
Nailed it.
And it resonates precisely with what numerous people have stated and explained on NSC.
Of course I doubt it maps to the rambling shite posted by several gimps I have on ignore.
But hey ho.
Motogull
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- Sep 16, 2005
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Reform polling well according to Sky. Farage may be odious but he is no mug. He knows that there is a greater number of pissed off Tories than Tommy Robinson lovers, hence the distancing.
The Tories should be cacking themselves. He could see them off.
The Tories should be cacking themselves. He could see them off.
Fake heroes is excellent!
Randy McNob
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- Jun 13, 2020
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You need to be very careful because public perception is that Farage is this great man of the people who draws immense popularity when in fact this is greatly exagerated, He is a great public speaker and speaks a language that ordinary people resonate with. It's only because he he is thrust on our TVs on an almost daily basis. Similarly the other cretin Richard Tice is platformed on a regular basis to bore everone on how immigration is the root of all evil, and never challenged on previous statements and predictions which are always false and misguided. Very seldom do you see representation from the greens or Lib dems. In a nutshell we have a heavily biased right wing media despite the electorate as a whole being left of centre
Not sure the relevance of Reform's polling if the next election is a good 4.5 years from now
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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One wonders where the platforms are for the excellent communicators are that wish to blame the 1% for being the root of all evil. We don't hear from them very often.
On an entirely unrelated note, one also wonders who own/control the platforms?
- Nov 11, 2009
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He is a great public speaker and seems like he'd be a good laugh down the pub, but he is also a rich thatcherite establishment figure whom I'm convinced, doesn't really give 2 shits about the people of Clacton or the white working classes he taps up with his anti immigrant policies.
He is very skilled at using a wedge issue to divide and then profit from that division.
The real elephant in the room is wealth inequality, that people like Farage and establishment figures have 95% of all the money and assets and pay a hugely lower % of that much higher wealth in taxes than the working people he claims to represent.
The real skill has been in convincing a lot of the working people in the 5%, the enemy are others in that 5% and they're responsible for the decline in their living standards. It's a sort of squid games as the 95% get ever richer, own ever more and do so quietly.
Is high immigration a problem? Yes probably a bit, it is emotive for sure snd triggers people. But Farage is a snake oil salesman who tries to amplify it, and use it to drive a wedge that will feed his political ambitions and wealth.
If we stop all immigration, and reform disbanded, wealth inequality will still exist and 95% of people's living standards in the 5% economy would still keep declining.
Motogull
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- Sep 16, 2005
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I couldn't give you a thumb there @peterward because of the pub reference. I think he'd be the pub bore. I'd walk out of any place he was in.
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Cordwainer
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He also looks like he has appalling halitosis and probably smells a bit like wee.
Randy McNob
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- Jun 13, 2020
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I did find it hilarious with all that hoo-ha around his Couts account. His fan club were up in arms. Just like Trump fans that penny will never drop
