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[News] Nigel Farage and Reform







Berty23

Well-known member
Jun 26, 2012
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I think the key is the government taking action now bit, something they hadn’t prioritised prior to Musk and his scumbag crew’s shit stirring, and something the Tories didn’t prioritise and in fact buried with a telling quote from Boris Johnson in their entire term of government.

If there’s one good thing to come out of all this, it’s that the current government have been forced to be proactive on this issue and address it publicly, and hopefully implement Prof Jay’s recommendations to try and prevent this type of offending from occurring.

Let’s be honest it’s not a comfortable subject for a government to make an agenda issue, especially not publicly
It is a new government. Getting things sorted such as a consultation or call for evidence take some time.
In struggle with the telegraph’s position here. Do we turn a blind eye to it or not?

It is also proper numberwang. What are the characteristics of those who are more likely to commit sex offences? Male, younger, deprived. Now have a think about who are migrants who come here. What are their characteristics?

Think about it like who commits more sex crimes in Benidorm? I would bet very good money it is not locals.

Context key with data and controlling the analysis to remove other factors. Otherwise it is just a bit pointless.
 




BadFish

Huge Member
Oct 19, 2003
18,776
Interesting to note that Reform will stand up a candidate convicted of assaulting his girlfriend but not a single Reform MP attended yesterday's debate on violence against women and girls

I'm not convinced Nige knows how to get to Westminster... Or Clacton for that matter.
 


BBassic

I changed this.
Jul 28, 2011
13,306
I'm not convinced Nige knows how to get to Westminster... Or Clacton for that matter.
Oh no, they know how to get there. Musk's performing chimp was there the other day bashing Labour over the grooming gangs report scandal thing.

But when it actually comes to being involved in debates and discussions on ways to improve situations they're nowhere to be seen.

They're not interested in solutions. They're only interested in pandering to the gallery.
 




Is it PotG?

Thrifty non-licker
Feb 20, 2017
26,031
Sussex by the Sea
They're not interested in solutions. They're only interested in pandering to the gallery.
Any opposition party is there to ask questions.

Starmer has been doing it for the past 5 years, and hopefully will come up with some answers soon.

It's far easier to pick holes than run the shop.
 


Berty23

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Jun 26, 2012
3,797
Any opposition party is there to ask questions.

Starmer has been doing it for the past 5 years, and hopefully will come up with some answers soon.

It's far easier to pick holes than run the shop.
I wonder why the last few years it was the government shouting about immigration problems rather than doing something. Then they lose the election and start saying things need to change. Weird one.
 


darkwolf666

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Nov 8, 2015
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Sittingbourne, Kent
These stats don’t specifically cover “gangs” aka paedophile rings,. The vast majority of sexual offences against minors occur in the home, and belief is most go unreported. All the stats above show is that people from all backgrounds are prosecuted for sexual abuse, which we all know and accept as an evil fact of life.

“Gangs” operate in different ways, mostly online via sharing of CSAM. “Asian grooming gangs” are fairly uncommon in the way they operate, targeting vulnerable underage girls from trouble backgrounds, plying them with alcohol and drugs, and grooming them into “relationships” where they are passed around associates of the “boyfriend” to be sexually abused.

The abuse taking place in the Church of England are near universally solo offending by older white people in positions of power of their victims through their position in the church.

Both involve grooming and near universally the types of grooming and offending are segregated by race.
A lot has been learnt since the early 2000s.
Any opposition party is there to ask questions.

Starmer has been doing it for the past 5 years, and hopefully will come up with some answers soon.

It's far easier to pick holes than run the shop.
14 years vs 6 months...
Any opposition party is there to ask questions.

Starmer has been doing it for the past 5 years, and hopefully will come up with some answers soon.

It's far easier to pick holes than run the shop.
I know, how dare Labour not come with answers to solve ALL our problems. I mean, they've had 6 months, surely that's long enough, isn't it...?
 












Berty23

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Jun 26, 2012
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jcdenton08

Joel Veltman Fan Club
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Oct 17, 2008
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Why? If people are not bothered to engage to learn about policies or care enough to vote then making them will just lead to policies mattering even less. Pick funny names.

In other news. Trouble at reform? https://www.theguardian.com/politic...illors-to-resign-over-nigel-farage-leadership
Isn’t the whole getting people to vote thing a massive benefit to non right wing parties? That’s why Labour/Lib Dems/US Democrats push so hard to get people out voting, especially younger people and minorities, because they’re statistically less likely to vote, but if they do they’re more likely to vote for them.

What is there to be afraid of if more people take up their democratic right? We’ve been told for decades or more that the more people to vote, the more likely we are to see diversity and change in government.
 


vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
28,324
Why? If people are not bothered to engage to learn about policies or care enough to vote then making them will just lead to policies mattering even less. Pick funny names.

In other news. Trouble at reform? https://www.theguardian.com/politic...illors-to-resign-over-nigel-farage-leadership
It will be quite funny if there is a shareholders revolution at Reform PLC. Poor old Nige has made a career out of being borderline racist but never quite stepping over the line....just close enough to avoid actual racism yet still keep his fan boys.

Musk has shown that it is ok to step over lines in the sand, and suddenly, Nige's business model isn't extreme enough.
 




Motogull

Todd Warrior
Sep 16, 2005
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Berty23

Well-known member
Jun 26, 2012
3,797
No. Discourage apathy.

Hopefully, people would engage and make informed decisions.
Do you really think that would happen? Was it Australia where they tried it? Then people just voted for the first on the list. So they had to rotate names so that it was not a parliament made up of people whose surname was Adams.

You just need to see what happens when people gave their reasons for voting for Brexit. Lots of them were complete nonsesne.
 


jcdenton08

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Oct 17, 2008
15,642
Do you really think that would happen? Was it Australia where they tried it? Then people just voted for the first on the list. So they had to rotate names so that it was not a parliament made up of people whose surname was Adams.

You just need to see what happens when people gave their reasons for voting for Brexit. Lots of them were complete nonsesne.
Isn’t the whole getting people to vote thing a massive benefit to non right wing parties? That’s why Labour/Lib Dems/US Democrats push so hard to get people out voting, especially younger people and minorities, because they’re statistically less likely to vote, but if they do they’re more likely to vote for them.

What is there to be afraid of if more people take up their democratic right? We’ve been told for decades or more that the more people to vote, the more likely we are to see diversity and change in government.
 


Berty23

Well-known member
Jun 26, 2012
3,797
Isn’t the whole getting people to vote thing a massive benefit to non right wing parties? That’s why Labour/Lib Dems/US Democrats push so hard to get people out voting, especially younger people and minorities, because they’re statistically less likely to vote, but if they do they’re more likely to vote for them.

What is there to be afraid of if more people take up their democratic right? We’ve been told for decades or more that the more people to vote, the more likely we are to see diversity and change in government.
Where does that come from? The completely disengaged don’t care enough to vote so why make them make a completely uninformed decision? It would be like asking my Mrs who Brighton should pick tomorrow. She has no knowledge and doesn’t care so how will that lead to better decisions?
 




jcdenton08

Joel Veltman Fan Club
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Oct 17, 2008
15,642
Where does that come from? The completely disengaged don’t care enough to vote so why make them make a completely uninformed decision? It would be like asking my Mrs who Brighton should pick tomorrow. She has no knowledge and doesn’t care so how will that lead to better decisions?
So democracy for only the well-informed enough to vote for the correct choice?
 


Motogull

Todd Warrior
Sep 16, 2005
10,737
Do you really think that would happen? Was it Australia where they tried it? Then people just voted for the first on the list. So they had to rotate names so that it was not a parliament made up of people whose surname was Adams.

You just need to see what happens when people gave their reasons for voting for Brexit. Lots of them were complete nonsesne.
Fukk me fella. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

I was trying to make the point that approximately 500 votes (197 & 38%) in an election was a pretty grim effort.
 


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