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chickens

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Oct 12, 2022
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Not any more, sadly – it went back this morning after I spent six months with one. I absolutely loved it on the whole – here are my thoughts (with a final one or two reports to be added...).

The biggest praise I can give it is that if I was offered the keys for any extended period of time to either an ID.7 or a BMW i5 (which 'my' ID.7 replaced), I would take the Volkswagen every time. The i5 might be better as a driver's car, but to live with, give me the comfort and ride quality of the ID.7.

Is the Enyaq the Skoda version of the ID7? A brand new Enyaq pulled up at the next charging point to mine today, and it’s had a bit of a facelift.

Good report btw, always worth knowing what a car’s like to live with. Thanks for posting.
 




Greg Bobkin

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May 22, 2012
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Is the Enyaq the Skoda version of the ID7? A brand new Enyaq pulled up at the next charging point to mine today, and it’s had a bit of a facelift.

Good report btw, always worth knowing what a car’s like to live with. Thanks for posting.
Sort of - they are both built on the same platform, but ID.7 is more like a saloon (VW refers to it as a 'fastback), than an SUV.

The global debut of new Enyaq only took place yesterday, so doubtful it was one of the NEW new ones. But I think there was a MY24 update, so it may well have been that?
 


BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
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I got my MG4 this week and am very happy with it. It's quite quick and drives well.


Which is nice
 


Goldstone1976

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Not any more, sadly – it went back this morning after I spent six months with one. I absolutely loved it on the whole – here are my thoughts (with a final one or two reports to be added...).

The biggest praise I can give it is that if I was offered the keys for any extended period of time to either an ID.7 or a BMW i5 (which 'my' ID.7 replaced), I would take the Volkswagen every time. The i5 might be better as a driver's car, but to live with, give me the comfort and ride quality of the ID.7.
That’s extremely helpful - many thanks!
 


Bodian

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May 3, 2012
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Still get range anxiety - but mainly because I use pool cars, and not everyone plugs them in properly, so they are only at 50%!
 




Greg Bobkin

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May 22, 2012
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Still get range anxiety - but mainly because I use pool cars, and not everyone plugs them in properly, so they are only at 50%!
That must be annoying! Especially for people who 'play by the rules' and leave it with a decent amount. In the world of motoring journalism, I hear a lot of stories from delivery drivers about how they often barely don't have enough charge to get to a charger when they pick cars up. Despite the fact that the journos get the cars with at least 80/90%. Although it is/was often the same with ICE cars.
 


Fungus

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That must be annoying! Especially for people who 'play by the rules' and leave it with a decent amount. In the world of motoring journalism, I hear a lot of stories from delivery drivers about how they often barely don't have enough charge to get to a charger when they pick cars up. Despite the fact that the journos get the cars with at least 80/90%. Although it is/was often the same with ICE cars.
Yeah, ICE or EV, you’d expect to give it back as full as it arrived.
 


GOM

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Aug 8, 2005
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Is the Enyaq the Skoda version of the ID7? A brand new Enyaq pulled up at the next charging point to mine today, and it’s had a bit of a facelift.

Good report btw, always worth knowing what a car’s like to live with. Thanks for posting.
The Enyaq is the is the Skoda version of the VW ID4.
 




nicko31

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I guess its easier in Norway, they're super rich with a small population.

That said it proves it can be done

 


dsr-burnley

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I guess its easier in Norway, they're super rich with a small population.

That said it proves it can be done

I dare say it helps to have no national debt and a vast sovereign wealth fund. It means the government can lose all the petrol taxes and pay for the infrastructure without having to cut back, or tax more, elsewhere.
 


MJsGhost

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I dare say it helps to have no national debt and a vast sovereign wealth fund. It means the government can lose all the petrol taxes and pay for the infrastructure without having to cut back, or tax more, elsewhere.
It's a shame the UK's profits from the same north sea oil fields that built up Norway's sovereign wealth fund were mostly siphoned off by the private sector.

Cracking bit of business that.
 




chickens

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I dare say it helps to have no national debt and a vast sovereign wealth fund. It means the government can lose all the petrol taxes and pay for the infrastructure without having to cut back, or tax more, elsewhere.

All Norway has done is keep nudging up the tax rates on petrol and diesel vehicles and petrol and diesel fuel. All fairly straightforward. Nothing dramatic required.
 


nicko31

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It's a shame the UK's profits from the same north sea oil fields that built up Norway's sovereign wealth fund were mostly siphoned off by the private sector.

Cracking bit of business that.
Thatcher had north sea oil revenue at its peak, sold off all the family silver and somehow gets lauded by many as being the UK's nest ever PM.
 






GOM

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Aug 8, 2005
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It's a shame the UK's profits from the same north sea oil fields that built up Norway's sovereign wealth fund were mostly siphoned off by the private sector.

Cracking bit of business that.
A lot easier to build up that wealth fund when you only have 5 million to spend it on rather then the 70 million we have.
 




MJsGhost

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A lot easier to build up that wealth fund when you only have 5 million to spend it on rather then the 70 million we have.
Not really. You just have to resist the temptation to spunk it all straight away.

Assume an equal ability to invest it wisely and limit spending from it to a sustainable level and we'd be in the same position as the Norwegians. The amount of oil and gas extracted by the UK and Norway is similar.
They now spend £30-35bn a year from it while the fund still grows.
We let the private sector take a big chunk and spaffed the rest on some tax cuts and immediate spending.
 


beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
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Not really. You just have to resist the temptation to spunk it all straight away.

Assume an equal ability to invest it wisely and limit spending from it to a sustainable level and we'd be in the same position as the Norwegians. The amount of oil and gas extracted by the UK and Norway is similar.
They now spend £30-35bn a year from it while the fund still grows.
We let the private sector take a big chunk and spaffed the rest on some tax cuts and immediate spending.
your assumption has a couple of flaws. firstly Norway developed it's fields far later, 10-15 years for similar output, when prices were higher. second in UK the revenue in 80s was a few % of GDP, while in Norway it's 30-40% GDP. yes, our windfall was spaffed on immediate spending of NHS, welfare, tax cuts etc, the Norwegians literally didn't know what to do with the money other than form an investment fund.
 




Audax

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Aug 3, 2015
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Couple of interesting observations recently for this thread:

1: The price gap between ICE and EV continues to close. The new Renault 5, that replaces the old Zoe, is substantially cheaper to buy new than the Zoe's were. Entry level now down as low as £23k, but even the full top-of-the-range model is under £29k list price - where the Zoe's went north of £30k. Looking at Citroen's C3 vs e-C3, the price gap on base models isn't that high.

2: There's a lot of talk (including in this thread) about how EV sales have been disappointing and that manufacturers are worried. The reality, however, is that a lot of this talk may be generated by how growth of EV sales has performed relative to forecasts that may have been too aggressive. As it stands, EV sales are growing year-on-year, both in absolute numbers and relative to ICE sales. in 2024 EV sales reached 19.6% of the entire car sales market, continuing a multi-year growth trend from a 2020 level of 6.6%. For December 2024, the EV market share was over 30%.
 


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