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[Albion] Why not leave people up for corners all the time ?
- Thread starter brianwade
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Maybe what works against one team won’t automatically work against others?
Machiavelli
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Interesting response. Two things:
-- I noted that Newcastle didn't follow our (and others) lead against Arsenal the other night, so other teams obviously don't see the advantage that Herr Knopp did in leaving three up-field
-- the logic of what we did against Arsenal made sense, because it meant that we had a clear advantage in the box -- as they lacked a goalkeeper and the corner taker, so we had a two-man advantage over them in the box ...
... given that, can you explain how a short corner would work against that tactic. Would it, for instance, be because of the three upfield taking advantage (via 'sloppy' defending by our man-to-man marker); one of those from inside the box taking advantage; both; or neither?
You essentially have five or six fewer bodies inside the box, so there is much more space for the attacking team to work out an opportunity by going short. There are fewer defenders able to block a shot, more space for the attackers to move into etc
Have teams found a tactic to weaken Arsenal from corners?
Sky Sports’ Sam Blitz looks at a new tactic teams are deploying to try and stop Arsenal scoring from corners.
I couldn't find a still, but in the above video you can see that if an Arsenal player comes for the short ball and beats his man, the defending team are in a pretty poor situation... The attacking team would have dragged two more players out of the box, and would have a much higher chance of scoring than they would with a direct corner with nine or ten men in the box defending it.
Nobby Cybergoat
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- Jul 19, 2021
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Three is quite a lot, but surely if you only had 1 or maybe 2 up, you could create a similar effect. As the OP suggested, we have players who are basically doing nothing in these situations. You have to consider as well, you might score from this. A claim from Verbruggen and a punt in behind, you at the very least have the chance to win a throw or something deep in their territory.
I think it does increase the risk of conceding, a little, but also increases the chances of you scoring, a little. I too am surprised we don't see it more often and can't wait for my next question at the fans forum. When i've got my poem and list of games i've attended out of the way, i'll see what Fab thinks
I think it does increase the risk of conceding, a little, but also increases the chances of you scoring, a little. I too am surprised we don't see it more often and can't wait for my next question at the fans forum. When i've got my poem and list of games i've attended out of the way, i'll see what Fab thinks
I'd go for doing it every time! If you leave one small fast player on the half way line (Lamptey, Minteh for example) they will have to leave two defenders watching him. We can then cram ten of ours in and around the six yard box to seven of theirs - six if they take a short corner. Better odds than 11 vs. 10. And if the defending gets a bit desperate, a good punt upfield will leave the pacey little forward in a straight foot-race to a one-on-one with the GK. What's not to like?
But I'm sure if you ask why not, the manager's answer (Potter and RDZ for sure, I think) will be that the numbers don't add up for doing it. Can't see it myself, but nothing I see, say or do is going to change it, so I'll just settle for a good
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Another one for doing it all the time. Two main reasons are
1) The box isn’t as congested which means less chance the ‘keeper is sandwiched between two opponents, easier for them to collect the ball. There’s also more space for the outfield players to go about their job.
2) The opponents now have the additional worry at corners of conceding possession and a 3 v 3 breakaway.
1) The box isn’t as congested which means less chance the ‘keeper is sandwiched between two opponents, easier for them to collect the ball. There’s also more space for the outfield players to go about their job.
2) The opponents now have the additional worry at corners of conceding possession and a 3 v 3 breakaway.
MikeHimself
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- Nov 17, 2024
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It’s not just about the numbers in the box. It’s also about who are the main attacking threats at corners. If it’s their centre backs, do they leave out one of those centre backs from their corner routine to defend the potential 3 v 3 breakaway. If a teams corner threat includes their fullbacks then these may have to drop back to mark wingers or wingbacks left upfield. As pointed out earlier, we can afford to leave our smaller pacier players upfield as they won’t offer much defensive cover - for most teams these are the players usually seen grappling, holding, blocking the offensive sides goal threats. It gives the opponents set piece coach and players extra scenarios to predict and train for, apart from just fouling or blocking our goalkeeper and defenders.
7dialssouthpaw
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- Sep 10, 2022
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I'm a fan of also having one player on the ten-yard mark to try and actively block a whipped in near-post corner. The same player also prevents short corners and collects any rebounds that come straight back.
Oh, I also believe in leaving two up and one halfway out (edge of the D) to spring the counter, leaving the six biggest defenders to mark either man-to-man or zonally. (can supply picture on back of fag packet upon request).
Part of the Arsenal bum-rush tactic seems to be to crash defenders into the 'keeper, so I thought our circular formation was effective in shielding Bart last week.
Oh, I also believe in leaving two up and one halfway out (edge of the D) to spring the counter, leaving the six biggest defenders to mark either man-to-man or zonally. (can supply picture on back of fag packet upon request).
Part of the Arsenal bum-rush tactic seems to be to crash defenders into the 'keeper, so I thought our circular formation was effective in shielding Bart last week.