[Albion] Imagine What We Could 'Of' Had...

Zeberdi · 2024-12-26T14:25:14+0000

Springal said:
Apart from the last paragraph , looks a fair summary to me

Then you are missing the point of why I think HS‘s biased perspective on Potter clouds his judgment of RDZ and probably Hürzeler too during the recruitment process of RDZ’s replacement, never mind the fact Greenwood is not actually a convicted sex offender any more than Bissouma was. We didn’t suspend Bissouma and Mendy wasn’t suspended until he was actually charged. I like and enjoy many of HS’s posts including his YouTube blog but I don’t think someone who’s total experience of watching Brighton from a laptop in Sweden and only a member of this forum because he followed Potter to Brighton in 2019/20 has the high moral ground when it comes to criticising other Brighton fans for expressing positive attitudes towards RDZ.

I’m not excusing RDZ’s public negativity (but I do think it was understandable given both the situation and our recruitment policy and his perfectionist personality - it was the perfect storm frankly) - I’m also not defending some of the last 6 months results ( although people often neglect to point out that we had a run of playing all the big clubs in the final months of last season and losing to the Cherries 0:3 was the only truly shocking result from March to May - On top of two big losses to Fulham and Luton earlier in the season, imo those big score losses to Clubs ‘we should have beaten’ gave the impression we were going really tits up yet we still finished mid-table which given the penultimate 6 months was quite an achievement and we have always struggled against clubs at the bottom of the table anyway.

It is not necessary to invent alternative past narratives about managers in order to cope with what are temporary disappointments in a current one - it’s all just tosh. Our recruitment, data driven as it is, ensures we move forward and progress both in the overall quality of the squad and in our succession of managers - it just may not be as linear a trajectory as the more impatient fans would like.

Balders · 2024-12-26T14:30:43+0000

Tom Hark Preston Park said:
Thanks for stalking

Just for the record - because you seem to track these things - I firmly believe that TB is a very astute businessman first and a bobble-hatted fan a very poor second. The financial crash of 2008 did him a massive financial favour. Else DK and MP would have reaped the benefit of all those long hard years of graft by funding the stadium via the normal sources of funding ie the banks. So forgive me if I refuse to genuflect in the general direction of TB

No stalking needed, I just read posts #86, #87 and #88 of this very thread, so no need for the accusation ;-)

Uncle Spielberg · 2024-12-26T14:31:10+0000

Tom Hark Preston Park said:
RDZ was fighting on behalf of us fans to push the club to be as ambitious as he and we wanted it to be. In the end tho, the club pushed back on that ambition

100% with you Tom. We now have an inferior manager imo

Justice · 2024-12-26T14:43:03+0000

AstroSloth said:
We've had the most injuries and most games missed through injury of any team in the league.

That includes injuries to positions we haven't fully replaced and key players being injured.

He also chose not to play players like Enciso

Guinness Boy · 2024-12-26T14:49:08+0000

Zeberdi said:
Then you are missing the point of why I think HS‘s biased perspective on Potter clouds his judgment of RDZ and probably Hürzeler too during the recruitment process of RDZ’s replacement, never mind the fact Greenwood is not actually a convicted sex offender any more than Bissouma was. We didn’t suspend Bissouma and Mendy wasn’t suspended until he was actually charged. I like and enjoy many of HS’s posts including his YouTube blog but I don’t think someone who’s total experience of watching Brighton from a laptop in Sweden and only a member of this forum because he followed Potter to Brighton in 2019/20 has the high moral ground when it comes to criticising other Brighton fans for expressing positive attitudes towards RDZ.

I’m not excusing RDZ’s public negativity (but I do think it was understandable given both the situation and our recruitment policy and his perfectionist personality - it was the perfect storm frankly) - I’m also not defending some of the last 6 months results ( although people often neglect to point out that we had a run of playing all the big clubs in the final months of last season and losing to the Cherries 0:3 was the only truly shocking result from March to May - On top of two big losses to Fulham and Luton earlier in the season, imo those big score losses to Clubs ‘we should have beaten’ gave the impression we were going really tits up yet we still finished mid-table which given the penultimate 6 months was quite an achievement and we have always struggled against clubs at the bottom of the table anyway.

It is not necessary to invent alternative past narratives about managers in order to cope with what are temporary disappointments in a current one - it’s all just tosh. Our recruitment, data driven as it is, ensures we move forward and progress both in the overall quality of the squad and in our succession of managers - it just may not be as linear a trajectory as the more impatient fans would like.

Yep - spot on.

Tom Hark Preston Park · 2024-12-26T14:52:45+0000

Justice said:
GodHe also chose not to play players like Enciso

Our South American starlets of last season appear to be suddenly all out of favour in er, favour, of dull but worthy North European stodge. Good luck going anywhere worth going anytime soon with that footballing model

jessiejames · 2024-12-26T14:55:37+0000

RDZ is a typical Italian football manager, passionate about the game and will say it how he sees it. Whether you liked him or not he gave us some great times also some low times as well. For me I loved the man, but he has moved on. Good luck to him hope he does well in the future. However I hope FH goes on to do the same or even better with us. Nobody can tell if RDZ would have us better than where we are now with the signing we have made. I will just trust the process with the 2 most important people at the club, PBOBE and Tony Bloom.

Justice · 2024-12-26T14:58:42+0000

Tom Hark Preston Park said:
Our South American starlets of last season appear to be suddenly all out of favour in er, favour, of dull but worthy North European stodge. Good luck going anywhere worth going anytime soon with that footballing model

When it get to the stage fans are ‘ hoping’ the boss works out it generally doesn’t.
Half a season in and we are getting worse.

Deadly Danson · 2024-12-26T15:00:59+0000

Tom Hark Preston Park said:
Our South American starlets of last season appear to be suddenly all out of favour in er, favour, of dull but worthy North European stodge. Good luck going anywhere worth going anytime soon with that footballing model

Jesus wept. I get that you enjoy stirring the pot but this is all utterly ridiculous.

Balders · 2024-12-26T15:04:13+0000

In respect of this £200m investment, people are just looking at one figure. It's not quite as simple as just this one "upfront" spend, you also have to factor in the ongoing wage cost and how this fits with our wage structure and what effect that would have on other players.

Buying 2 or 3 experienced EPL ready players (26yo - 28yo) is going to cost a lot more over 2-3 years when you bake in their wage demands, not to mention their resale value will decline, so a lot more expensive than buying 6 to 8 "rough diamonds" with a lower wage cost and the upside of potential resale values and you only need a couple of them to work out (see Caicedo and MacAllister)

This statement that £200m should give us an immediate results is a bit of a misnomer and is the perfect excuse to trot out if the improvement isn't linear for the "jam today" brigade. PSR constraints and our successful recruitment meant in the last window we could afford 6 to 8 rough diamonds, as opposed the normal 2 to 4.

Neither route is a guarantee of success, but guess what, TB's strategy hasn't changed, much to the disdain of many, and that's the point.

Tom Hark Preston Park · 2024-12-26T15:06:21+0000

Justice said:
When it get to the stage fans are ‘ hoping’ the boss works out it generally doesn’t.
Half a season in and we are getting worse.

Gotta love when fans over-invest in some random bad haircut guy as manager that nobody even heard of six months ago. But - HEY! - Trust The Process

Tom Hark Preston Park · 2024-12-26T15:14:21+0000

Deadly Danson said:
Jesus wept. I get that you enjoy stirring the pot but this is all utterly ridiculous.

Tell me where I'm wrong then (Buonaonotte, Barco, Enciso)

Brian Munich · 2024-12-26T15:14:33+0000

Tom Hark Preston Park said:
Fair plays. You must be WELL brainy with your talk of hotels in the middle of nowhere at the expense of a well-funded football team. GO Hotel empire!

Tom Hark Preston Park said:
Seems to me a long term strategy by the owners of the stadium. Establish the stadium as a venue for all sorts of prestige events, build the hotel, fill the hotel with attendees of aforesaid prestige events at premium prices.

Tom Hark Preston Park said:
I'm sure TB knows what his priorities are, and at some point - maybe after the hotel is built - will finally start to focus on the playing side of things.Which is pretty much all that counts to 'disgruntled fans'.

Tom Hark Preston Park said:
Thanks for stalking

Just for the record - because you seem to track these things - I firmly believe that TB is a very astute businessman first and a bobble-hatted fan a very poor second. The financial crash of 2008 did him a massive financial favour. Else DK and MP would have reaped the benefit of all those long hard years of graft by funding the stadium via the normal sources of funding ie the banks. So forgive me if I refuse to genuflect in the general direction of TB

It's me that searched some of your old posts, mate. I have a very good memory, even of stuff from 10+ years ago, and knew they'd be easy to find - and they were with the search functionality on here.

Your assertions on Bloom's model for building a team for the PL turned out to be spectacularly wrong. And the belief that he was sinking millions into a loss-making club every year, not because he was a fan but so that he could build a modest sized hotel at Falmer, is just financial illiteracy.

Deadly Danson · 2024-12-26T15:20:34+0000

Tom Hark Preston Park said:
Gotta love when fans over-invest in some random bad haircut guy as manager that nobody even heard of six months ago. But - HEY! - Trust The Process

So what's the alternative? Whinging and sniping from the sidelines? What are you hoping to achieve? Most of us on here are supporters - you know, supporting the team and hoping that our new manager will be a long term success. No one knows yet but he'll have a much bigger chance if we back him.

Tom Hark Preston Park said:
Tell me where I'm wrong then (Buonaonotte, Barco, Enciso)

Thing is, I don't even think you believe what you're saying - throwing out accusations against Bloom, decreeing that RDZ was the second coming and that our manager has somehow got it in for our South American players. I think you're now trolling and enjoying yourself. Frankly it's tragic and embarrassing and probably time for me to leave this pantomime behind.

Zeberdi · 2024-12-26T15:25:37+0000

Springal said:
Apart from the last paragraph , looks a fair summary to me

Well the whole post now has been deleted by the mods including my quote of it so the mods had an issue with it too presumably.

Tom Hark Preston Park · 2024-12-26T15:26:32+0000

Brian Munich said:
It's me that searched some of your old posts, mate. I have a very good memory, even of stuff from 10+ years ago, and knew they'd be easy to find - and they were with the search functionality on here.

Your assertions on Bloom's model for building a team for the PL turned out to be spectacularly wrong. And the belief that he was sinking millions into a loss-making club every year, not because he was a fan but so that he could build a modest sized hotel at Falmer, is just financial illiteracy.

Fill yer stalking boots there mate :thumbsup:

Seriously, how do you think this plays itself out if/when it all goes tits-up. TB still owns all that prime real estate and won't make a loss on the deal. And if you believe in the power of TB's gorblimeyjustoneofus bobble hat then you're a muppet, pure and simple. Tho mainly simple :dunce:

Balders · 2024-12-26T15:31:07+0000

Tom Hark Preston Park said:
Fill yer stalking boots there mate

Seriously, how do you think this plays itself out if/when it all goes tits-up. TB still owns all that prime real estate and won't make a loss on the deal. And if you believe in the power of TB's gorblimeyjustoneofus bobble hat then you're a muppet, pure and simple. Tho mainly simple

You ok Hun?

Tom Hark Preston Park · 2024-12-26T15:34:02+0000

Balders said:
You ok Hun?

Maybe come back and have another go when you've got something worth saying
:wozza:

AstroSloth · 2024-12-26T15:52:56+0000

Tom Hark Preston Park said:
Maybe come back and have another go when you've got something worth saying

If that's what it takes to make a post then why are you posting at all?

Tom Hark Preston Park · 2024-12-26T15:55:24+0000

AstroSloth said:
If that's what it takes to make a post then why are you posting at all?

Good point, well made :down:

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