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[Other Sport] Fury vs Usyk







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AstroSloth

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Dec 29, 2020
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Seagull58 said:
They didn't have the same 4 rounds. I think there were only 7 rounds where all 3 judges cards matched. One judge gave Fury round 1 and Usyk round 2, the other 2 judges had the opposite.
It was a close fight but Fury didn't really do much apart from wave his hand in Usyk's face a lot of the time. Usyk landed more punches and showed more aggressive intent in my eyes.
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And more control of the fight. The fight went at Usyk's pace and outside of flashes of brilliance from Fury he controlled it.
 




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Greg Bobkin

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May 22, 2012
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jcdenton08 said:
Don’t understand your thinking at all here mate. It’s clearly labelled as a boxing thread, specific to this fight. I don’t go into the racing threads and randomly state to a bunch of racing fans that I don’t like horse racing for ethical or other reasons.

Not every thread has to be for every poster, and I’m not suggesting to limit your free speech, but you have to expect push back when you make statements like the one you just did with limited to no knowledge, experience or understanding of the subject matter.

Perhaps better to scroll past, or if it upsets you to pop the thread on ignore. We don’t all share the same things in common and that’s absolutely fine.
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Sure, but the conversation moved away from specifically talking about this fight, which is where my comment came from.

And then it's suggested that I don't open or comment on the thread? Why shouldn't I? If every poster purely stuck to statements where they had 'no knowledge, experience or understanding of the subject matter', NSC would be a VERY quiet place.

I've not exactly gone in on an anti-boxing TIRADE, either - I was just making an observation. Maybe some people don't like that or agree with it, I honestly couldn't care less :shrug:

As someone who works in the media, I stand by the point made that Dubois' interruption was a publicity stunt though, if it's still OK to say that :wink:
 










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Half Time Pies

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Sep 7, 2003
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Brighton
jcdenton08 said:
This backs up the point I made above though, in that it comes down to what the judges like when scoring a fight.

Lots of judges would see those statistics and still score it to Fury, because he threw more punches, jabs and power punches - ie he had better work rate. Counter punchers historically don’t score as well with judges.

What the stats also don’t show is ring control, which some judges value very highly. If one boxer is taking centre ring and walking down their opponent, this can work in their favour with scoring.

I gave it to Usyk but it was a very close fight.
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The judges are meant to be scoring based on clean shots i.e. those that land on the target area, not punches that are thrown but don't connect! I have always found a lot of the punches Fury throws to be quite half hearted, including that annoying back fist he does when he misses, which I am not even sure is legal but he seems to get away with. Fury throwing a load of punches which either missed or hit the gloves also shows the excellent defence of Usyk which is another criteria judges should use to score the fight.
 




jcdenton08

jcdenton08

Offended Liver Sausage
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Oct 17, 2008
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Half Time Pies said:
The judges are meant to be scoring based on clean shots i.e. those that land on the target area, not punches that are thrown but don't connect! I have always found a lot of the punches Fury throws to be quite half hearted, including that annoying back fist he does when he misses, which I am not even sure is legal but he seems to get away with. Fury throwing a load of punches which either missed or hit the gloves also shows the excellent defence of Usyk which is another criteria judges should use to score the fight.
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Yes, I know, I am talking about what actually happens though in elite boxing when it goes to the scorecards. A huge number of fights are decided in favour of a fighter who scores fewer clean punches - and the reasoning for why that is the case.
 




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Lenny Rider

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Sep 15, 2010
6,096
AstroSloth said:
Olympic Gold Medalist
Undisputed Cruiserweight Champ
Undisputed Heavyweight Champ
Undefeated
Lineal Champ
Won 335 amateur fights

Whilst being an incredibly likeable, humble person.
Usyk, what a champion.
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Would you now go as far as saying he’s one of the greatest of all time?

I hope they both retire, the caveat to that being is that Fury then channels his life into being an advocate for mental health rather than unfortunately going off the rails.

Uysk, once Trump sorts the war out in January, well the world is his oyster, he’s a modern day great, and in answering my own question, he’s up there with Marciano, Ali, Frazier and co 🥊
 




DJ NOBO

DJ NOBO

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Jul 18, 2004
6,870
Wiltshire
I don’t think there’s anyone in the history of boxing that you could say with confidence would beat Usyk.
He’d probably beat them in the same way - staying out of harms way and pinching close rounds.
Lewis v Usyk would have been uneventful and close. Still fancy Usyk to win though.
 




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