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[News] The Gisele Pelicot trial
- Thread starter nevergoagain
- Start date
- Jan 3, 2012
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Totally agree in every way!
but what a woman. So much has been said about her waiving her anonymity, but I didn‘t really twig that, without that, the whole trial would have been carried out behind closed doors and none of it would have come out.
Victoria Derbyshire on Newsnight a couple of weeks ago had a 20 minute conversation with her lawyer, who described the torment she had gone through while realising what had been happening to her, and the strength of her determination to do things right. Incredible woman.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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mmmm....
I admit to being somewhat surprised when I first heard (because of the length of the abuse over many years) but after reading the detail of the case I wouldn't be surprised if it has happened elsewhere and is happening now.
She knew "something" was wrong, but was examined by doctors.
This was a sustained use of a particular drug that I understand the husband was able to source himself.
The Clamp
Well-known member
I’m not digging you out, apologies if it seems as such. But your post raises some important questions.
It’s useful to follow these notions through to their conclusion.
“she must have known what was going at some point”
Which leads to the question;
“why didn’t she stop it”?
Only two real answers to that question;
He was controlling and she didn’t have an opportunity to get help or stop it for fear of what he might do.
She enjoyed it and wanted it to carry on.
I don’t think the defence used either of those arguments. They were ruled out early on.
So the only viable answer is that she did not know. And evidence bears this out.
A horrible case and an incredible woman
The monster in the Gislele Pelicot case, the more he abused her the more caring, loving and concerned he pretended to be, the complete manipulative *unt.
Struggling to understand this case. Amazingly strong woman, absolute ***t of a bloke though. Hope he gets some rough justice
It might be after every day in prison his arsehole is turned into a chewed orange by ‘mr big’
pearl
Well-known member
Also in France rape is only rape if the victim says NO. She is a remarkable woman. I hope she gets some privacy now and care from her family.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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nicko31
Well-known member
There are a lot of very sick individuals out there.
I know that now ta
No I poorly worded my reply before ai knew the facts…. I do that from time to time.
The Clamp
Well-known member
I think you touched on a good point though, which is basically how bloody hard the whole thing is to understand. Mind boggling.
- Oct 17, 2008
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Best not to reply before you know the facts, especially on very sensitive subjects.
She enjoyed it and wanted it to carry on was never in my mind.. It’s madness
Yes, there is currently a lack of provision for consent in the legal definition of rape in France and it is only defined as penetration by violence, coercion or threat, none of which were used in the Pelicot case, as they didn't need to be given she was unconscious. It might explain why some of the sentences are so short.
They are now considering changing the legal definition in France to include consent.
The legal definition of rape was changed to include consent in Spain after a public outcry following the the so called "wolf pack" trial after five men were only found guilty of sexual assault after gang raping a teenager during the Pamplona bull run festival in 2016.
There's a documentary about it on Netflix...
La Manada rape case - Wikipedia
Double bollocks. She never said no to at least 50 rapists sentenced in a French Court and has garnered great support by going public.
I read about her decision to go public. I understand her reasons, totally, it made sense, but it still took a lot of bravery.