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BadFish

Huge Member
Oct 19, 2003
18,434
So... To summise, We want a manager with a strong sense of identity and style of play, while being pragmatic and changing style depending on the opposition and players available.

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sussex_guy2k2

Well-known member
Jun 6, 2014
4,334
Yes, it is possible to become inept. Loss of interest/motivation, losing connection with contemporary ideas and attitudes, development of a massive ego, can all cause that.

It would be quite something to have switched from "ept" to "inept" in the course of a couple of weeks mid season though. That would suggest a certain baseline of ineptitude that was being covered up by good fortune and the positive side of inconsistency, that people had confused for eptitude.

I suspect the reality is a talented but inexperienced coach leading a similarly talented but inexperienced team, who'll collectively be somewhat inconsistent while finishing somewhere in the 10-15th place bracket. Who will all learn on the job, briefly attain collective competence, before being sold off and restarting the cycle.

Jumping back quickly, re. Mourinho, there were 5 years between him winning the Champions League for the last time in 2010 and winning the Premier League in 2015. Plenty of time to develop shitness along the way.
I’ll revise my use of the word inept to describe him, albeit I think he’s close to that.

I’ll start going with “incredibly naive”. I just thought we’d be getting more from a manager if we’re to let him play with £200m of new toys.
 






BadFish

Huge Member
Oct 19, 2003
18,434
I’ll revise my use of the word inept to describe him, albeit I think he’s close to that.

I’ll start going with “incredibly naive”. I just thought we’d be getting more from a manager if we’re to let him play with £200m of new toys.
We most likely will.
 






Machiavelli

Well-known member
Oct 11, 2013
17,928
Fiveways
I’ll revise my use of the word inept to describe him, albeit I think he’s close to that.

I’ll start going with “incredibly naive”. I just thought we’d be getting more from a manager if we’re to let him play with £200m of new toys.
I'll give you persistence on your anti-FH diatribe. You might turn out to be right. You also might turn out to be wrong.
He's incredibly naive yet has amassed 1.5ppg.
What is Pep who has achieved 1.6875ppg?
What is BeHeadie or Ange who have got 1.4375ppg?
Those three all have far more expensive toys to play with.
 


sussex_guy2k2

Well-known member
Jun 6, 2014
4,334
I'll give you persistence on your anti-FH diatribe. You might turn out to be right. You also might turn out to be wrong.
He's incredibly naive yet has amassed 1.5ppg.
What is Pep who has achieved 1.6875ppg?
What is BeHeadie or Ange who have got 1.4375ppg?
Those three all have far more expensive toys to play with.
So predictable. At least some people on here have tried to deal directly with and address my (mainly tactical) concerns.

But you’re correct, I might turn out to be right or wrong. I hope I’m wrong as it means we’re successful.
 




Machiavelli

Well-known member
Oct 11, 2013
17,928
Fiveways
So predictable. At least some people on here have tried to deal directly with and address my (mainly tactical) concerns.

But you’re correct, I might turn out to be right or wrong. I hope I’m wrong as it means we’re successful.
Apologies for my predictability. Actually, scrap that, it's a simple set of stats that warrant consideration.
Anyway, just to test my predictability, can you either point to a post where you have articulated your tactical concerns about FH or lay them out, and I'll respond to them.
Just to warn you on two things.
1, I'm somewhat sceptical of any poster claiming to have advanced tactical insight (there are a few on here that have exempted themselves from that, and I'm not precluding you from that): it's very easy for fans to fixate on something, because their alternative tactic isn't being subjected to ruthless examination, as is the case with PL managers.
2, my overall current impression is that the recent downturn in form is more due to absent players and the downturn in form of a few than about FH's tactics -- which have been far more flexible than the rigid ones deployed certainly by RDZ and CH.
 


sussex_guy2k2

Well-known member
Jun 6, 2014
4,334
Apologies for my predictability. Actually, scrap that, it's a simple set of stats that warrant consideration.
Anyway, just to test my predictability, can you either point to a post where you have articulated your tactical concerns about FH or lay them out, and I'll respond to them.
Just to warn you on two things.
1, I'm somewhat sceptical of any poster claiming to have advanced tactical insight (there are a few on here that have exempted themselves from that, and I'm not precluding you from that): it's very easy for fans to fixate on something, because their alternative tactic isn't being subjected to ruthless examination, as is the case with PL managers.
2, my overall current impression is that the recent downturn in form is more due to absent players and the downturn in form of a few than about FH's tactics -- which have been far more flexible than the rigid ones deployed certainly by RDZ and CH.
You’ve written a lot of nonsense to explain why you’ve still not engaged in the topic.
 


Machiavelli

Well-known member
Oct 11, 2013
17,928
Fiveways
You’ve written a lot of nonsense to explain why you’ve still not engaged in the topic.
Well, of late, you've written that there are 'cold, hard facts' that prove something and also that you can prove anything with stats, while also being somewhat confrontational with several reasonable posters that have the temerity to disagree with you.
I note that you don't want to put your theories to the test. What's the problem? Is it that you still haven't got over losing to Palace?
 




sussex_guy2k2

Well-known member
Jun 6, 2014
4,334
Well, of late, you've written that there are 'cold, hard facts' that prove something and also that you can prove anything with stats, while also being somewhat confrontational with several reasonable posters that have the temerity to disagree with you.
I note that you don't want to put your theories to the test. What's the problem? Is it that you still haven't got over losing to Palace?
Look, some stats are good stats, and some are bad stats. Pointing out that Rooney and Owen both had very noticeable seasons and successes past the age of 18, using stats that backed that up, is pretty straight forward.

Similarly, the conversation around Ferguson is much more nuanced than the gentleman was trying to make it. He simply stated that he’s scored 1 goal in 1200 minutes (I may be wrong about the stat but I’m sure it was something along those lines). As I pointed out, that statistic lacked any context. I explained the context, and yet he continued to blast one of our young players like that incredibly flawed statistic he was using was the be all and end all of the debate, when it clearly isn’t. That doesn’t mean that Ferguson is playing well, nor does it mean he doesn’t have work to do. It does mean, however, that the poster was trying to use a simplistic stat to back up an opinion that was ignorant at best.

However, nothing positive is going to come from furthering this conversation, so I’m going to duck out. I wish you a merry Christmas.
 


Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
32,520
Brighton
So... To summise, We want a manager with a strong sense of identity and style of play, while being pragmatic and changing style depending on the opposition and players available.

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