Brian Munich
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- Jul 7, 2008
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You talking net transfer spend?
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[Albion] Our “big spend”
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Machiavelli
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We did sign Kadioglu and Wieffer both 24 for £25-30m each. O'Riley aged 22 for a similar price.
aftershavedave
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I disagree with most of the above. We spend more than any club in Europe and they are all "maybes". Doesn't make sense, you'd expect those players to be on fire
- Oct 17, 2008
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All three of those are at least £20m cheaper combined than one Caicedo… we have to be realistic about the markets we’re shopping in. We can’t buy top, ready made professionals in their prime years. We can’t afford their wages, transfer fees, or attract them here. And even when we do, there’s no guarantee they’ll work (Dahoud).
What we can do is buy players who have good numbers and give them a Premier League platform to raise their profile, develop their game over a few seasons and sell them for profit in order to try and achieve financial stability without our wealthy owner pouring his own money in.
If we have more successes than failures then we’ll benefit not only financially when they are ready for sale, but also benefit from their performances on the pitch which will reflect in our league finish and cup performances.
boik
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Not at all. Like I said on another thread - we are where Chelsea were some 18 months ago. Big(-ish) spend on a series of potentially world class kids yet to be moulded into a coherent team. Potter and Poch couldn't do it in a few months so why should anyone expect FH to.
I expected us to be 12th-16th for the first half on the season hopefully improving to the 10th-14th sort of area. A better than expected start has put paid to peoples sense of reality.
- Oct 17, 2008
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We spent more than any other club in Europe - once. After making record transfer profits in the last few seasons, selling our best players and needing to try and replace them like for like, for a fraction of the price per player.
“you'd expect those players to be on fire”
Sorry, why would you expect that?
This is the transfer fee spend from 2020/2021 to present. Based on net spend, as you see, we are 10th, one place below our current position and one place ahead of our finish last season.
There would be absolutely no reason for you to expect a new, young squad of players to be on fire.
A good positive thread
Keep 'em coming
Later I may lower the eyebrow I raised at the numerous projectile urinations around the showroom of Bensons For Beds I keep seeing from certain others.
I doubt you become wealthy on the back of property speculation and gambling by being childish.
Machiavelli
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You'd expect Cucurella or Caicedo to be 'on fire' when joining Chelsea given the two of them cost about as much as all seven of our £200m summer spend. They weren't, and both took about a year to be 'on fire'.
And yet you 'expect' all of our seven incomings to be 'on fire'. I'd suggest that the issue isn't our seven or even Cucurella or Caicdeo. It's your expectations.
Are you the master of sarcasm and wit?
(One day I may repost that excellent joke).
Top work, by the way
(If someone says 'I wish I'd said that' the correct reply is 'you will, my dear, you will'
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You're not always 'just having a bit of fun' on here are you.
You're a mitherer like most of the rest of us.
Perhaps worse
Justice
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I like to call it being realisticYou're not always 'just having a bit of fun' on here are you.
You're a mitherer like most of the rest of us.
Perhaps worse
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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What excuses was I making in my post?
My intention was to call for patience from our fan base for a young manager and young team. You have obviously read it a different way.
I agree about your point about City though and made the point that we all got a bit over excited and now need to recalibrate our expectations.
sussex_guy2k2
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- Jun 6, 2014
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To be honest, I disagree with a fair bit of sentiment on here, and I’m surprised that so many have reveled in the party line after how badly the past few games have gone.
The reality is, we were the biggest spenders in Europe. You can dress it up however you want, but that’s the case. With that comes much bigger expectations, irrespective of where we came from and irrespective of how much you want to lower those expectations.
We can sit here and make all the excuses in the world for the poor performances of this season (and there’s been many more poor performances than good ones - we’ve been incredibly lucky in every victory I’ve seen), but my expectations rose according to that spend, and I believe rightly so. I can imagine TBs expectations rose also.
However, whatever way we dress it up, we’ve not really bought a player that has improved our first 11. Arguably Georgino, but he’s still a serious work in progress. Weifer looks like a lottery winner at times, O’Riley looks like a Scottish Premier League player, Minteh looks like a kid who’s had no real schooling at this level, Ferdi hasn’t really shown anything close to the required level, and Gruda looks promising but incredibly raw. And yes there’s been injuries, but there’s been injuries for 3 years now and we can’t keep making excuses when our transfer policy involves covering those injuries with 60 year olds or children from pre-school.
The biggest problem for me though, is the manager. I get that he’s young, but he’s at best tactically naive, and at worst tactically inept. He doesn’t seem to learn from his mistakes. He doesn’t seem able to read the flow of games or affect them really. He can’t make tactical changes to see them out either. But worst of all, there’s no real patterns of play - it would be fine if I could see us working towards a style, but I have no faith he knows what that is, or how to implement it, and I’ve certainly not seen a consistent style.
I appreciate we’re probably going to stick with him, and I really hope he turns it around because I want our club to succeed, but I think he’s hugely underperforming compared to where I hoped we’d be, given the resources he’s been given and given how poor the rest of the league is this year.
But maybe 2-3 years down the line this will age appallingly as we’ll have been in Europe and Real Madrid will be giving us £30m to sign him and his staff - let’s hope it goes down that route.
The reality is, we were the biggest spenders in Europe. You can dress it up however you want, but that’s the case. With that comes much bigger expectations, irrespective of where we came from and irrespective of how much you want to lower those expectations.
We can sit here and make all the excuses in the world for the poor performances of this season (and there’s been many more poor performances than good ones - we’ve been incredibly lucky in every victory I’ve seen), but my expectations rose according to that spend, and I believe rightly so. I can imagine TBs expectations rose also.
However, whatever way we dress it up, we’ve not really bought a player that has improved our first 11. Arguably Georgino, but he’s still a serious work in progress. Weifer looks like a lottery winner at times, O’Riley looks like a Scottish Premier League player, Minteh looks like a kid who’s had no real schooling at this level, Ferdi hasn’t really shown anything close to the required level, and Gruda looks promising but incredibly raw. And yes there’s been injuries, but there’s been injuries for 3 years now and we can’t keep making excuses when our transfer policy involves covering those injuries with 60 year olds or children from pre-school.
The biggest problem for me though, is the manager. I get that he’s young, but he’s at best tactically naive, and at worst tactically inept. He doesn’t seem to learn from his mistakes. He doesn’t seem able to read the flow of games or affect them really. He can’t make tactical changes to see them out either. But worst of all, there’s no real patterns of play - it would be fine if I could see us working towards a style, but I have no faith he knows what that is, or how to implement it, and I’ve certainly not seen a consistent style.
I appreciate we’re probably going to stick with him, and I really hope he turns it around because I want our club to succeed, but I think he’s hugely underperforming compared to where I hoped we’d be, given the resources he’s been given and given how poor the rest of the league is this year.
But maybe 2-3 years down the line this will age appallingly as we’ll have been in Europe and Real Madrid will be giving us £30m to sign him and his staff - let’s hope it goes down that route.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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We may have spent 200m but we are still shopping in the same market of potential.
After our qualification into Europe we sold 200m worth of talent, most of which was McAllister and Caicedo. Replacing them with 20-30m rated talent is always going to be a risk and take time.
For me our spend doesn't come with 'much bigger expectations' it was overdue to keep us at the same level. Maybe it pushed up from top 10 to having a good crack at Europe. But our overexcitment about champions league came from our great start to the season. Courtesy of our inept manager and shit players.
We are sitting in 10th in the premier league with some of the most exciting young talent in Europe. What is everyone moaning about?
Shit form happens but we haven't become a shit team over night. Hold your nerve, it will be alright.
Terry Butcher Tribute Act
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- Aug 18, 2013
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The warning signs were there long before this. We should have shipped 3 against Crawley ffs. The Ipswich draw, the Wolves capitulation. The Chelsea high line debacle. All the while we were getting results nobody cared so much. Now though...
Isn't that 10th place on 'gross' spend? That is - how much we spent overall.
Surely 'net' spend would be total spent minus total received? On those figures, we are 16th.
Or even 17th
Premier League net spend table over the last five years
Forget the league table, it's all about the Premier League net spend table. And Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal and Tottenham are ahead of the other 16.
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- Oct 17, 2008
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Quite right, well spotted.Isn't that 10th place on 'gross' spend? That is - how much we spent overall.
Surely 'net' spend would be total spent minus total received? On those figures, we are 16th.
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Or even 17th
Premier League net spend table over the last five years
Forget the league table, it's all about the Premier League net spend table. And Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal and Tottenham are ahead of the other 16.
We're doing even better!!