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[Albion] Igor Julio - SINGS for 4 years!
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This guy is massively overrated by people right now.
For the umpteenth time this season, he leaves the back line to run up to midfield and make a 30/70 tackle that leaves us in all kinds of trouble if it goes wrong. Thats how Southampton score their goal. It is also how a lot of other teams could have scored plenty of goals in the last few weeks.
The guy can't position himself and can't read the game. He's been alright imo, better than I expected, but the whole "Dunk is finished, Igor for president"-psychosis needs to go.
For the umpteenth time this season, he leaves the back line to run up to midfield and make a 30/70 tackle that leaves us in all kinds of trouble if it goes wrong. Thats how Southampton score their goal. It is also how a lot of other teams could have scored plenty of goals in the last few weeks.
The guy can't position himself and can't read the game. He's been alright imo, better than I expected, but the whole "Dunk is finished, Igor for president"-psychosis needs to go.
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Kalimantan Gull
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That was.. something. And he'd been doing so well......
macbeth
Dismembered
never been convinced by him, have to say
Well, the psychosis continues, despite he literally gave away the points to Leicester last week and before that has given away two goals in recent weeks from leaving backline to make absolutely moronic (and failed) challenges in midfield.
If this was the exact same player, but with the difference that he was a 30-year-old lad named John Smith from Worthing signed by a Potter-Hyypiä collaboration, NO ONE would want him ahead of Dunk.
But because he's a Brazilian lad signed by your flawless adoptive dad, you've decided he's the saviour of our leaky defense.
People saying that Dunk should retire to accomodate Igor are the ones who should f*** off, not our captain.
Easy to see why he wanted to leave for Fulham. Maybe he should have. Maybe they're more of a "I appreciate a player who is a local lad and who has fought hard for us for 15 years and would not want him to retire" lot.
I get f***ing nauseous about the Brighton fan perspectives on March and Dunk (and also another local lad in Webster). Clearly the fans have a tinpot mentality where any foreign cool name MUST be better than a local lad who fought his way up through the ranks. Funny lot. "We can't win if we sell our players", they say, while wanting to replace every single "old" part with a fancy signing. But the way we treat our legends.. why would anyone ever want to stay and become one?
Also, if you actually don't like the local players, why not support a plastic team filled with foreign mercenaries? If you don't like anything or anyone that comes from the local area, it seems a little stupid to support a club from the local area?
Sussex must be a proper shithole given that a Swede - who was never been there - is more keen and enthusiastic about watching local lads play for the first team than those who have lived there and gone to games for 50 years.
Unfortunately I have bad news for you. On this subject, Tony Bloom does not give a shit about what the grey thing rippling in your head says:
Igor is leaving the moment someone gets fooled into signing him and his PL wages. Lewis Dunk will remain at the club for several years to come. And I will enjoy the tears over this as much as I'll enjoy the opportunity for us to get in another real defender and improve our defending.
#igorpsychosisout
#dunkin
If this was the exact same player, but with the difference that he was a 30-year-old lad named John Smith from Worthing signed by a Potter-Hyypiä collaboration, NO ONE would want him ahead of Dunk.
But because he's a Brazilian lad signed by your flawless adoptive dad, you've decided he's the saviour of our leaky defense.
People saying that Dunk should retire to accomodate Igor are the ones who should f*** off, not our captain.
Easy to see why he wanted to leave for Fulham. Maybe he should have. Maybe they're more of a "I appreciate a player who is a local lad and who has fought hard for us for 15 years and would not want him to retire" lot.
I get f***ing nauseous about the Brighton fan perspectives on March and Dunk (and also another local lad in Webster). Clearly the fans have a tinpot mentality where any foreign cool name MUST be better than a local lad who fought his way up through the ranks. Funny lot. "We can't win if we sell our players", they say, while wanting to replace every single "old" part with a fancy signing. But the way we treat our legends.. why would anyone ever want to stay and become one?
Also, if you actually don't like the local players, why not support a plastic team filled with foreign mercenaries? If you don't like anything or anyone that comes from the local area, it seems a little stupid to support a club from the local area?
Sussex must be a proper shithole given that a Swede - who was never been there - is more keen and enthusiastic about watching local lads play for the first team than those who have lived there and gone to games for 50 years.
Unfortunately I have bad news for you. On this subject, Tony Bloom does not give a shit about what the grey thing rippling in your head says:
Igor is leaving the moment someone gets fooled into signing him and his PL wages. Lewis Dunk will remain at the club for several years to come. And I will enjoy the tears over this as much as I'll enjoy the opportunity for us to get in another real defender and improve our defending.
#igorpsychosisout
#dunkin
Gabbiano
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Why do you feel the need to bait people into arguments online? Nobody wins in a shit slinging match on the internet.
You often make excellent points on this forum, have a great sense of humour, and I agree with a lot of this post even, what content there is between the swipes.
But if you have as little respect for the fan base as this post implies I wonder why you would even stay here on this forum. Unless of course you're craving an online argument today.
Nobby Cybergoat
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- Jul 19, 2021
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There's a line I really like in the film, The Big Lebowski. There's an argument between the Dude and John Goodman's character, who's name I forget.
John Goodman is shouting at him, "tell me how i'm wrong?" , "tell me how i'm wrong?". The dude replies, "you're not wrong, you're just an ass hole"
That one just popped into my head
Nobby Cybergoat
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- Jul 19, 2021
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Han Solo, maybe a more considered reply is.
I agree with some of your points. Even if Lewis is struggling, more than we've ever seen, he still offers a lot. There are games we need his physicality, there are games we need his leadership. His long passing has dropped off, but 'i see no reason, why this isn't to do with loss of form and fewer effective runs in behind. If he isn't there we miss him
Igor I think is a bit better than you credit him for. He was bad last season, but that was in and out and mostly at full back. He had a howler at Leicester, but when he had a run in the side on the left side of a 2, he really started to show what he was worth. That left sided option in that position really can get us moving up the field quick. I see why RDZ liked Colwill there. Igor can give us similar impetus
In my view, which 2 out of the 3 centre backs play is a marginal call. JPVH has been piss poor for a few weeks. I've seen comments blaming Dunk for this as well which I find bemusing. I guess JP has credit in the bank from a very good start to the season.
You're right to make the general point that the some of the comments on Dunk smack of a kind of, in vogue hysteria.
The way I see it, our 3 centre backs are all very close together in what they can currently offer. I would have no issue with whoever FH decides to leave out next weekend. I don't want him to shoehorn all 3 in though
I agree with some of your points. Even if Lewis is struggling, more than we've ever seen, he still offers a lot. There are games we need his physicality, there are games we need his leadership. His long passing has dropped off, but 'i see no reason, why this isn't to do with loss of form and fewer effective runs in behind. If he isn't there we miss him
Igor I think is a bit better than you credit him for. He was bad last season, but that was in and out and mostly at full back. He had a howler at Leicester, but when he had a run in the side on the left side of a 2, he really started to show what he was worth. That left sided option in that position really can get us moving up the field quick. I see why RDZ liked Colwill there. Igor can give us similar impetus
In my view, which 2 out of the 3 centre backs play is a marginal call. JPVH has been piss poor for a few weeks. I've seen comments blaming Dunk for this as well which I find bemusing. I guess JP has credit in the bank from a very good start to the season.
You're right to make the general point that the some of the comments on Dunk smack of a kind of, in vogue hysteria.
The way I see it, our 3 centre backs are all very close together in what they can currently offer. I would have no issue with whoever FH decides to leave out next weekend. I don't want him to shoehorn all 3 in though
Machiavelli
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Agree with the vast majority of this. For me, JPvH is clearly our best CB currently, with Igor and Dunk vying it out for a place alongside him. I can see why FH picked Dunk for these two games because, without him, we're seriously lacking in leadership and experience with Veltman and Welbeck also out (Milner seems a distant memory atm). The key problem we've experienced of late in defence is at RB. It's not just a Veltman absence problem. I'd be quite content seeing Kadioglu or Hinshelwood starting there -- although I'd rather have Jack in CM.
aolstudios
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Tbf, I saw a lot more leadership from JP before his partner was needlessly dropped. He's shrunk since the manager rushed Lewis back in
No, I come to North Stand Chat to click the ads and find out how Dave, 53, from Eastbourne scored in Wordle yesterday. I'm firmly against online argumentation and discussion just like other hundred of other peeps showing up at this online internet discussion board all day every day.
...or not. You're spot on about that.
When I woke up this morning and saw half of the online Brighton people scapegoating Lewis Dunk for the shit performance of every player last night, I felt "hmm, well, they are arguing that the club would be better of binning our captain and legend".
And this made me think "hmm, maybe if the people slagging off every local player f***ed off it would be a lot better for the club than if Dunk did". And now I'm expressing that, just like the fuckwits express their shit. If those fuckwits feel bad about me saying the club would be better off without them, too bad. If they feel that way maybe they shouldn't be doing it to Dunk.
An interesting take!
Football is a Business, there is no sentiment in Business and even less so in Football. So what you are saying is if Lewis had done what Igor did at Leicester, then fans don't have the right to criticise and the boards should remain silent. Also the Hierarchy should base decisions like team selection to subscribe to this view?
You make it sound like if Beryl from Accounts who has worked for a Company for 20yrs but drops a bollock and costs the Company £50k then she is beyond reproach, yet if Fred from Accounts who has worked for the Company for 6 months drops a similar bollock, the Company should take a different view?
For what it is worth, my view is that our points return (which FB is judged on) was far better with JPVH and Igor playing compared to when Lewis was introduced back into the team. No wonder JPVH was petulant when taken off at Fulham as he was the sacrificial lamb after being asked to play in a different role at Fulham to accommodate Lewis.
Football is not only a business so the comparison doesn't work. 30k people don't gather to sing about something that is merely business.
Too bad you feel there's no sentiment in football. Luckily Tony Bloom has a different view and is quite keen on having local lads playing for the team. While Dunk and March are great players, they both likely would have been replaced ages ago if they weren't locals.
When a player from Brighton or surroundings start for us in the Premier League, there's hundreds or thousands of kids in Brighton thinking "that could be me". It goes from obscure fantasy to tangible dream.
Giving the local football playing kids in Brighton some hope and motivation for the future may be too sentimental for the entertainment-shopping "customers of the business", but for someone who actually gives a f*** about the city and the people living in it - like Bloom seemingly does - its the way to go, and the way we're going.
"they both likely would have been replaced ages ago if they weren't locals."
They have had to compete for their place over the years (just like all our players) and they have retained their place by performing on the pitch, regardless of whether they are locals as you make it sound that there shouldn't be any competition or potential replacements signed for their positions.
On this basis, Wayne Rooney should never have asked for a transfer from Everton and Everton should never have sold him. Are you going to lose your shit if Jack Hinshlewood might move on in the future?
I know you like an argument, but this one is incredibly tenuous imho....
They have had to compete for their place over the years (just like all our players) and they have retained their place by performing on the pitch, regardless of whether they are locals as you make it sound that there shouldn't be any competition or potential replacements signed for their positions.
On this basis, Wayne Rooney should never have asked for a transfer from Everton and Everton should never have sold him. Are you going to lose your shit if Jack Hinshlewood might move on in the future?
I know you like an argument, but this one is incredibly tenuous imho....
Seagull58
In the Algarve
Your take on Dunk and March is wrong. They are in the team/squad on merit. Dunk is an England International and March was playing well enough to be discussed for a possible England call-up before his knee injury.
Seagull58
In the Algarve
Seconded
Ok, so its merely a coincidence that the two longest serving players also happen to be local lads? Isn't it a weird "coincedence" that we currently have two local lads with 10+ years at the club whereas none of the 100s of foreign signings done in that time has stayed for more than... Gross years. But someone like me, who does not believe Tony operates based on "coincidence", it seems like the club has been more keen on retaining local lads than the others who come and go.
If Tony shared the view that its all only business, he could have found some Umberto or another to play really well for two years and then f*** off and we could do that with every single player. But of course then you change dressing room culture every year or every second year and it becomes incredibly difficult to build something in the long run. So we don't do that and instead keep the players who actually really give a shit about the club.
Solly and Dunk are great players. No doubt. Great players that could have been sold and replaced like all our other great players, but for reasons I understand and you don't, we haven't done that.