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A mex eyecan

Well-known member
Nov 3, 2011
3,970
My son has just bought himself a new built house which comes with a 50-60 foot long and 15 foot wide Somme mud clay pit rear garden. A gardener my lad isn’t! He’s now skint having shelled out every last £ he had.

Patio, well 9 slabs outside back door are going to need to be extended. If he will decide to go for decking I can build it for him as I’m half handy with stuff like that, whereas if he opts for slabs I’m the last person suited to getting them laying anywhere near flat.

He was saying about grassing the rest. I’ve suggested an area of formal lawn leading into a rather large area of meadow/wild flowers.

I haven’t got much of a clue about where to suggest starting. I dare say the labourer will be me whilst he’s out working and earning a living, so it will take me sometime to do allowing for my old ticker and shot knees 🙄 Still he’s my lad and I really like to help him out if I can.

I know some of you have made meadow areas, so may I seek your wisdom. Where do I start? flatten the trenches? Did in gravel? roller it? and then once level, how do you get a good start for the flowers to establish?
 




Weststander

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Aug 25, 2011
69,878
Withdean area
My son has just bought himself a new built house which comes with a 50-60 foot long and 15 foot wide Somme mud clay pit rear garden. A gardener my lad isn’t! He’s now skint having shelled out every last £ he had.

Patio, well 9 slabs outside back door are going to need to be extended. If he will decide to go for decking I can build it for him as I’m half handy with stuff like that, whereas if he opts for slabs I’m the last person suited to getting them laying anywhere near flat.

He was saying about grassing the rest. I’ve suggested an area of formal lawn leading into a rather large area of meadow/wild flowers.

I haven’t got much of a clue about where to suggest starting. I dare say the labourer will be me whilst he’s out working and earning a living, so it will take me sometime to do allowing for my old ticker and shot knees 🙄 Still he’s my lad and I really like to help him out if I can.

I know some of you have made meadow areas, so may I seek your wisdom. Where do I start? flatten the trenches? Did in gravel? roller it? and then once level, how do you get a good start for the flowers to establish?

The good news if he agrees to the meadow idea, is that in the scenario you describe there’ll be far less work than changing from an established lawn.

Remove all perennial weeds including their roots eg brambles, also docks, dandelions, ground elder. Till the surface to an extent and seed with a mix suitable for the soil type. You want to see at least 50% soil before seeding. Gently tread down to give soil contact.

You might want to add this at the same time for some colour from annuals such as cornflowers and poppies for the first summer.

Maintenance - mow or scythe down to ground level by August at the latest, allow the debris to sit for a week, then completely remove it all.

If grasses end up dominating, next November seed with Yellow-rattle.
 


A mex eyecan

Well-known member
Nov 3, 2011
3,970
The good news if he agrees to the meadow idea, is that in the scenario you describe there’ll be far less work than changing from an established lawn.

Remove all perennial weeds including their roots eg brambles, also docks, dandelions, ground elder. Till the surface to an extent and seed with a mix suitable for the soil type. You want to see at least 50% soil before seeding. Gently tread down to give soil contact.

You might want to add this at the same time for some colour from annuals such as cornflowers and poppies for the first summer.

Maintenance - mow or scythe down to ground level by August at the latest, allow the debris to sit for a week, then completely remove it all.

If grasses end up dominating, next November seed with Yellow-rattle.
thank you for your reply. Interesting and useful.
 


The Grockle

Formally Croydon Seagull
Sep 26, 2008
5,778
Dorset
My son has just bought himself a new built house which comes with a 50-60 foot long and 15 foot wide Somme mud clay pit rear garden. A gardener my lad isn’t! He’s now skint having shelled out every last £ he had.

Patio, well 9 slabs outside back door are going to need to be extended. If he will decide to go for decking I can build it for him as I’m half handy with stuff like that, whereas if he opts for slabs I’m the last person suited to getting them laying anywhere near flat.

He was saying about grassing the rest. I’ve suggested an area of formal lawn leading into a rather large area of meadow/wild flowers.

I haven’t got much of a clue about where to suggest starting. I dare say the labourer will be me whilst he’s out working and earning a living, so it will take me sometime to do allowing for my old ticker and shot knees 🙄 Still he’s my lad and I really like to help him out if I can.

I know some of you have made meadow areas, so may I seek your wisdom. Where do I start? flatten the trenches? Did in gravel? roller it? and then once level, how do you get a good start for the flowers to establish?

It's great to have a blank canvas and you can do a lot with a relatively small budget.

Firstly, I'd recommend he spends the next few months filling a notebook with sketches and looking through instagram/Pinterest for inspiration before spending a penny.

Secondly, I think its important to consider what he'll actuality use the space for. If he just wants a patio/ seating area then a backdrop of plants some well places shrubs can provide interest whilst being low maintenance. A small manicured circle of lawn could provide a space for sunbathing or sitting without giving too much away to lawn.

New builds can be overlooked so some pleached trees can provide privacy. Some well placed Silver birch will screen whilst letting some dappled light in

Finally, work out the aspect. No point planning for a meadow if too much shade is cast as it won't thrive. If it's a sun trap and he chooses the wrong plants he'll spend all summer watering.
 


Jack Straw

I look nothing like him!
Jul 7, 2003
7,140
Brighton. NOT KEMPTOWN!
My son has just bought himself a new built house which comes with a 50-60 foot long and 15 foot wide Somme mud clay pit rear garden. A gardener my lad isn’t! He’s now skint having shelled out every last £ he had.

Patio, well 9 slabs outside back door are going to need to be extended. If he will decide to go for decking I can build it for him as I’m half handy with stuff like that, whereas if he opts for slabs I’m the last person suited to getting them laying anywhere near flat.

He was saying about grassing the rest. I’ve suggested an area of formal lawn leading into a rather large area of meadow/wild flowers.

I haven’t got much of a clue about where to suggest starting. I dare say the labourer will be me whilst he’s out working and earning a living, so it will take me sometime to do allowing for my old ticker and shot knees 🙄 Still he’s my lad and I really like to help him out if I can.

I know some of you have made meadow areas, so may I seek your wisdom. Where do I start? flatten the trenches? Did in gravel? roller it? and then once level, how do you get a good start for the flowers to establish?
Can you post a few photos?
 






Jack Straw

I look nothing like him!
Jul 7, 2003
7,140
Brighton. NOT KEMPTOWN!
Anyone know how to get rid of Lords and Ladies? It seems bomb proof.

The only advantage i have is that there are no other plants yet. Just a lot of leathery weeds!!
All you need to know, here;
 


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