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[News] Dad and stepmum guilty of Sara Sharif murder



Is it PotG?

Is it PotG?

Thrifty non-licker
Feb 20, 2017
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Cheeky Monkey said:
Had to switch off the radio news yesterday, just couldn't hear it, the pictures of that lovely smiling girl and what was happening to her in the background, beyond appalling and really upsetting.
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I found myself doing that several times too, for the same reason.

Extremely upsetting and I just take a little solace knowing that these ####s will forever be sleeping and showering with one eye on the door.
 




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Berty23

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Jun 26, 2012
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As others have said cases of child neglect and abuse will be wider than people think. If cuts keep getting made then social workers and teachers end up being left to try and cope as best they can. My wife is a teacher and she has been very late home several times as they try to find emergency foster care for children. They can end up an hour away. That is just one example but they will be common.

I have mates who fostered kids but have recently stopped because of how the system worked. It was all just too much with very little support available.

It blows my mind when I see papers like the daily mail saying “how could this happen?” When they also go mad about any tax to provide properly funded services. I have no idea what people think gets cut when budgets for services are cut but they are frontline things impacting real people.

You end up with threads on internet chat rooms about public sector workers being off work poorly. My Mrs works 75 hours at least most weeks. Lots of it is nothing to do with teaching. She would earn miles more per hour stacking shelves. People forget that front line public sector workers will deal with shocking things that can take its toll on people. Imagine uncovering something like this shocking child abuse then doing what you can then going to see more. People on here turn off the radio, people in front line jobs try to do what they can.
 


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portlock seagull

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Jul 28, 2003
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maffew said:
It really shouldn't be hard to put systems in place to manage the risk here, social services surely to blame.

School loops them in with their concern, and despite the history of these people, bounce it back to the school "can you monitor". Child is removed from school, no one left to monitor. That's just f***ing appalling
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In a perfect world yes. Sadly that’s the crux. They’ll be another instance just like this along very soon. The world is a terrible place at times. Always has been and always will be. And as an aside, I prefer to focus on the actual perpetrators, not those paid a pittance largely to prevent against overwhelming odds. Save the hate for those who really deserve it and thank your lucky stars your parents weren’t like hers the poor thing.
 


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HillBarnTillIDie

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Jul 2, 2011
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Nobby Cybergoat said:
It is appalling.

But i think it's unlikely that this is because people working in the sector are generally negligent or indifferent.

The more professional people get stretched, the bigger the potential gaps get.

I also think that it's a profession that deals with degrees of risk. These are often hard to spot before but seem very obvious in hindsight. Maybe the wrong decisions were made even without hindsight, who knows. But you never hear of the majority of cases where the correct decisions are made.

Unless there is obvious negligence, i don't people should be hung out to dry
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From what Ive been reading and hearing from the various reports, especially in regard to judges, I fail to see how their conduct can be anything but negligent.
 


Nobby Cybergoat

Nobby Cybergoat

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Jul 19, 2021
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Berty23 said:
As others have said cases of child neglect and abuse will be wider than people think. If cuts keep getting made then social workers and teachers end up being left to try and cope as best they can. My wife is a teacher and she has been very late home several times as they try to find emergency foster care for children. They can end up an hour away. That is just one example but they will be common.

I have mates who fostered kids but have recently stopped because of how the system worked. It was all just too much with very little support available.

It blows my mind when I see papers like the daily mail saying “how could this happen?” When they also go mad about any tax to provide properly funded services. I have no idea what people think gets cut when budgets for services are cut but they are frontline things impacting real people.

You end up with threads on internet chat rooms about public sector workers being off work poorly. My Mrs works 75 hours at least most weeks. Lots of it is nothing to do with teaching. She would earn miles more per hour stacking shelves. People forget that front line public sector workers will deal with shocking things that can take its toll on people. Imagine uncovering something like this shocking child abuse then doing what you can then going to see more. People on here turn off the radio, people in front line jobs try to do what they can.
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Very good points mate.

This is a horrific case. I'm sure there are some lessons to learn, so let's learn them.

But i'm wary of further demoralising a profession we badly need people to go into and stay in.
 




WATFORD zero

WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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maffew said:
It really shouldn't be hard to put systems in place to manage the risk here, social services surely to blame.

School loops them in with their concern, and despite the history of these people, bounce it back to the school "can you monitor". Child is removed from school, no one left to monitor. That's just f***ing appalling
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The only people to blame here are the evil **** who murdered her and tried everything to cover their tracks.

Everyone else involved was trying to do the best they could with the resources available to them. Why else would you go into that business :rolleyes:
 








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METALMICKY

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Jan 30, 2004
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Nobby Cybergoat said:
It is appalling.

But i think it's unlikely that this is because people working in the sector are generally negligent or indifferent.

The more professional people get stretched, the bigger the potential gaps get.

I also think that it's a profession that deals with degrees of risk. These are often hard to spot before but seem very obvious in hindsight. Maybe the wrong decisions were made even without hindsight, who knows. But you never hear of the majority of cases where the correct decisions are made.

Unless there is obvious negligence, i don't people should be hung out to dry
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Very much this. For about 5 years I did the administration support for a team of social workers and resource officers working for East Sussex County Council. This particularly team dealt with kids with severe disabilities moving from children's to adult services.

To say that it gave me a new respect for social workers is an understatement. Sadly it's only when things go wrong do social workers get mentioned and the brilliant work they do is rarely celebrated. The size and complexity of the caseloads they were expected to managed were ridiculous and all with a background of ridiculous bureaucracy and severe budget restrictions. The pressure they were under was huge and stress related absenteeism was rife. Social workers and other related professionals would put massive efforts into formulating care packages for it all to be scuppered by the accountant who would start chipping away at what was proposed.
 










GT49er

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Weststander said:
I was referring to another victim of a sadistic parent who called into to Nicky Campbell, from 52’.
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I was working on this thread being about poor Sara Sharif - which it is. Besides, there is a fair whiff of elephant in the room here anyway.
 


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Nov 5, 2004
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Dibdab said:
This keeps happening, and yet our systems continue to fail to protect these poor children ...
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About 10 years ago I worked on an IT project called "Single View" as an IT outsourcer for the largest council in the UK.

The project came about as a direct result of the baby P enquiry findings where it was established that had the information held by Social Services, Police, Criminal Justice, NHS (Inc GPs) all been visible together the decision to remove and take baby P into care would have been made.

It was at the time when GDPR was under reform and we were all working under the Data Protection Act. The bureaucracy we had to cut through was emense but everyone involved agreed and accepted that the life of a child was way more important that a bit of data protection.

As you can imagine, a lot of very sensitive data involved. It was agreed only the SS caseworker and their management should have access, and only summary information held by the various organisations.

The project got bogged down and I left. I have no idea if it made it to production but the concept was good and the value undeniable.

Any system is fallable but if the same thing keeps happening we are not learning from the mistakes.

RIP all children who have suffered at the hands of parental monsters.
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Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

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Aug 18, 2009
68,167
Beside the seaside, beside the sea
Shropshire Seagull said:
About 10 years ago I worked on an IT project called "Single View" as an IT outsourcer for the largest council in the UK.

The project came about as a direct result of the baby P enquiry findings where it was established that had the information held by Social Services, Police, Criminal Justice, NHS (Inc GPs) all been visible together the decision to remove and take baby P into care would have been made.

It was at the time when GDPR was under reform and we were all working under the Data Protection Act. The beuracracy we had to cut through was emense but everyone involved agreed and accepted that the life of a child was way more important that a bit of data protection.

As you can imagine, a lot of very sensitive data involved. It was agreed only the SS caseworker and their management should have access, and only summary information held by the various organisations.

The project got bogged down and I left. I have no idea if it made it to production but the concept was good and the value undeniable.

Any system is fallable but if the same thing keeps happening we are not learning from the mistakes.

RIP all children who have suffered at the hands of parental monsters.
😞
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Very good points. There have been a lot of glaring errors due to bureaucracy and access to IT systems by parties concerned.
GDPR is misused much to the detriment of actual decision making.
 


Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

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Aug 18, 2009
68,167
Beside the seaside, beside the sea
METALMICKY said:
Very much this. For about 5 years I did the administration support for a team of social workers and resource officers working for East Sussex County Council. This particularly team dealt with kids with severe disabilities moving from children's to adult services.

To say that it gave me a new respect for social workers is an understatement. Sadly it's only when things go wrong do social workers get mentioned and the brilliant work they do is rarely celebrated. The size and complexity of the caseloads they were expected to managed were ridiculous and all with a background of ridiculous bureaucracy and severe budget restrictions. The pressure they were under was huge and stress related absenteeism was rife. Social workers and other related professionals would put massive efforts into formulating care packages for it all to be scuppered by the accountant who would start chipping away at what was proposed.
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Bean counters have a lot to answer for. Lives are worth more than costs.
 




Is it PotG?

Is it PotG?

Thrifty non-licker
Feb 20, 2017
25,736
Sussex by the Sea
Urfan Sharif, 42, will serve at least 40 years in prison and Beinash Batool, 30, a minimum of 33 years.

Sara's uncle, Faisal Malik, 29, was also sentenced to a minimum of 16 years after being found guilty of causing or allowing the death of a child.

Mind those slippery shower floors.
 




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