[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

Bodian · Dec 10, 2024

Nobby said:
You can’t just keep ignoring everyone. You won’t have anyone to argue with soon.
Maybe if you could come up with anything, just anything that made any sense at all it could assist your arguments in some small way

Right Brain Ronnie said:
Anyone that insults a disability deserves an ignore, don't you think?
Interesting that you see it that I argue with people, and not others that are following me?
If you don't get me, please ignore me or just maybe you are doing that in one of your other accounts, it quite a sad thing to do to make multiple posts from different accounts at one poster, it's dangerous type of stuff.
I think I put you on ignore on this account too.

I haven't insulted a disability. So there isn't a specific reason for you to ignore me or the question I asked.......

Right Brain Ronnie said:
Yes and no, the detail sometimes is just fluff, I brush aside as I don't feel it contributes to the real debate, I try to cut the noise and look at the problem and how the best way to solve it.
Let's face it, even the barristers who are across the detail get it very wrong, so are they qualified to do the job? Starmer is proving not to be.

Bodian said:
Okay, so detail is fluff - and the real debate doesn't need detail or noise. You see the problem and the best way to solve it.

What is that Farage brings to this for you? He seems to define the problem as too many people in the country that he doesn't like (I'm trying to steer clear of calling it racism, as I know you don't think that being against people of certain races is racist). So, what in your view / Farage's view is the 'best way to solve it'?

Labour have so far deported quite a lot more than the failed tory policies. I guess that isn't enough for you and the other Farage 'fans'. So what's your 'solution'?

.......But you have simply ignored these questions. It would be good for you to actually engage in the fundamentals rather than just say that you can't do so because of your issues.

If your issues are indeed such that you cannot understand the questions, or cannot put together a proper response - then maybe it would be better all round if you ceased posting on these threads, and then other posters won't waste their time in trying and engage with you?

BadFish · Dec 10, 2024

Nobby said:
You can’t just keep ignoring everyone. You won’t have anyone to argue with soon.
Maybe if you could come up with anything, just anything that made any sense at all it could assist your arguments in some small way

He doesn't really argue with anyone. Just posts claptrap and then hides behind his alleged disability to avoid having to justify his nonsense.

HWT is probably right, and this is all a second account designed to insult and ridicule the nuerodivese community. Maybe a ban is warren until he steps out from behind his VPN and shows us who he really is?

Or do we just wait until he has ignored everyone and has no one to left to tell about his alleged neurodiversity

Right Brain Ronnie · Dec 10, 2024

Bodian said:
I haven't insulted a disability. So there isn't a specific reason for you to ignore me or the question I asked.......

.......But you have simply ignored these questions. It would be good for you to actually engage in the fundamentals rather than just say that you can't do so because of your issues.

If your issues are indeed such that you cannot understand the questions, or cannot put together a proper response - then maybe it would be better all round if you ceased posting on these threads, and then other posters won't waste their time in trying and engage with you?

No you haven't.
I have not deliberately ignored you, with my ADHD I flick about to what I find gives me the dopamine I crave for.
So please pleasure me.

Sorry perhaps it didn't excite me, or I just forgot about you, in the nicest possible way.
It very much depends also whether the question asked are a one part question or they are multiply question all together, please remember I am reading these question multiply times and then working out the language you may have used to the point of "what are they actually asking"?
When I am a 100% sure I answer it, if I am not sure I don't, because most are not patient enough to put it into laymen terms for me.
It can be like communicating with a Glaswegian after 20 scotches at times!

I hope you can understand this.

Farage is logical and yet visionary, I have these trait that's why I get him. Yes the immigration has been off the scale under the Tories but Blair opened the gates originally and it damaged us to the point of internal fighting.

I will not get deeply into this because of my dyslexia, otherwise someone will spin it in a wrong way and Starmer law will be chucking out more paedophiles to find a space for Ronnie.

That's another thing why so many are becoming Reform members?

The Seismograph will struggle to cope with the swing towards Reform come 2029.

Maybe you will join up before then?

If you could reply to me please?

How many things do you feel Starmers has got badly wrong since July?

A list would help me thanks.

Bodian · Dec 10, 2024

Right Brain Ronnie said:
No you haven't.
I have not deliberately ignored you, with my ADHD I flick about to what I find gives me the dopamine I crave for.
So please pleasure me.
Sorry perhaps it didn't excite me, or I just forgot about you, in the nicest possible way.

Fair enough.

Right Brain Ronnie said:
It very much depends also whether the question asked are a one part question or they are multiply question all together, please remember I am reading these question multiply times and then working out the language you may have used to the point of "what are they actually asking"?
When I am a 100% sure I answer it, if I am not sure I don't, because most are not patient enough to put it into laymen terms for me.
It can be like communicating with a Glaswegian after 20 scotches at times!

I hope you can understand this.

Fair enough. Trouble is, limiting each post to one question then looks to be 'bombarding' a poster!

Right Brain Ronnie said:
Farage is logical and yet visionary, I have these trait that's why I get him. Yes the immigration has been off the scale under the Tories but Blair opened the gates originally and it damaged us to the point of internal fighting.

Visionary? Interesting take. You obviously don't think he's just in it for himself then.

Nor is he hugely logical - he is actually quite contradictory seeming to be able to hold completely opposite views/practices on immigration at once (ie: okay for the people he likes, but not those he doesn't / marrying a 'foreigner' - who he simultaneously wants to keep out of the country, Brexit being to stop immigration when he must have know it would do the opposite, pretending to be for the working man - whilst really sucking up, and being, the wealthy elite, and so on).

Right Brain Ronnie said:
I will not get deeply into this because of my dyslexia, otherwise someone will spin it in a wrong way and Starmer law will be chucking out more paedophiles to find a space for Ronnie.

That's another thing why so many are becoming Reform members?

The Seismograph will struggle to cope with the swing towards Reform come 2029.

Maybe you will join up before then?

I really cannot see that happening. After 50 years or so of being leftish leaning, with a moral and social conscience - I cannot see how there is any chance that I would ever align myself with Reform. Not unless I had a severe character change or something.

Right Brain Ronnie said:
If you could reply to me please?

How many things do you feel Starmers has got badly wrong since July?

A list would help me thanks.

He's got his PR wrong. And I think the removal of the Winter Fuel Allowance was badly judged in as much as it dragged too many people in, including some that may suffer from losing £200 a year. Otherwise, I don't think there is much he's got wrong, let alone badly wrong. He's basically carrying out, quietly, the things he said he'd do. But that is for another thread - this thread is about Farage & Reform - not the current Government.

Thunder Bolt · Dec 10, 2024

In 2015 UKIP led by Farage won 12.4% of the vote 3,881099
In 2024 Reform led by Farage won 14.3% of the vote 4072947
just 191,838 in 9 years.

Edit to a more realistic date

AstroSloth · Dec 10, 2024

Right Brain Ronnie said:
No you haven't.
I have not deliberately ignored you, with my ADHD I flick about to what I find gives me the dopamine I crave for.
So please pleasure me.
Sorry perhaps it didn't excite me, or I just forgot about you, in the nicest possible way.
It very much depends also whether the question asked are a one part question or they are multiply question all together, please remember I am reading these question multiply times and then working out the language you may have used to the point of "what are they actually asking"?
When I am a 100% sure I answer it, if I am not sure I don't, because most are not patient enough to put it into laymen terms for me.
It can be like communicating with a Glaswegian after 20 scotches at times!

I hope you can understand this.

Farage is logical and yet visionary, I have these trait that's why I get him. Yes the immigration has been off the scale under the Tories but Blair opened the gates originally and it damaged us to the point of internal fighting.

I will not get deeply into this because of my dyslexia, otherwise someone will spin it in a wrong way and Starmer law will be chucking out more paedophiles to find a space for Ronnie.

That's another thing why so many are becoming Reform members?

The Seismograph will struggle to cope with the swing towards Reform come 2029.

Maybe you will join up before then?

If you could reply to me please?

How many things do you feel Starmers has got badly wrong since July?

A list would help me thanks.

Didn't read all that, congratulations or I'm sorry that happened to you.

Please select whichever applies.

pb21 · Dec 10, 2024

Right Brain Ronnie said:
Farage is logical and yet visionary, I have these trait that's why I get him.

Scappa · Dec 10, 2024

Thunder Bolt said:
In 2015 UKIP led by Farage won 12.4% of the vote 3,881099
In 2924 Reform led by Farage won 14.3% of the vote 4072947
just 191,838 in 9 years.

I suspect he may still be ubiquitous by then

Nobby · Dec 10, 2024

Right Brain Ronnie said:
Anyone that insults a disability deserves an ignore, don't you think?
Interesting that you see it that I argue with people, and not others that are following me?
If you don't get me, please ignore me or just maybe you are doing that in one of your other accounts, it quite a sad thing to do to make multiple posts from different accounts at one poster, it's dangerous type of stuff.
I think I put you on ignore on this account too.

You see. You’re doing it again.

The man with six names all called Nobby

AstroSloth · Dec 10, 2024

Bodian said:
I cannot see how there is any chance that I would ever align myself with Reform. Not unless I had a severe character change or something.

I've seen lots of stories of people with brain tumors completely changing their personality and losing all rational thinking.

Actually maybe that's why people are Reform voters.

Thunder Bolt · Dec 10, 2024

Scappa said:
I suspect he may still be ubiquitous by then

Whoops. Fat fingers

Giraffe · Dec 10, 2024

Thunder Bolt said:
In 2015 UKIP led by Farage won 12.4% of the vote 3,881099
In 2024 Reform led by Farage won 14.3% of the vote 4072947
just 191,838 in 9 years.

Edit to a more realistic date

I think if you’re comparing the two as the same thing you’re in for a big shock in a few years. UKIP was a one policy party.

Reform is a totally different party and will have a much higher level of popularity.

Thunder Bolt · Dec 10, 2024

Giraffe said:
I think if you’re comparing the two as the same thing you’re in for a big shock in a few years. UKIP was a one policy party.

Reform is a totally different party and will have a much higher level of popularity.

Farage has more than one policy?

Bodian · Dec 10, 2024

Giraffe said:
I think if you’re comparing the two as the same thing you’re in for a big shock in a few years. UKIP was a one policy party.

Reform is a totally different party and will have a much higher level of popularity.

? - are they a totally different party to the July 2024 Reform Party?

The Clamp · Dec 10, 2024

Right Brain Ronnie said:
No you haven't.
I have not deliberately ignored you, with my ADHD I flick about to what I find gives me the dopamine I crave for.
So please pleasure me.
Sorry perhaps it didn't excite me, or I just forgot about you, in the nicest possible way.
It very much depends also whether the question asked are a one part question or they are multiply question all together, please remember I am reading these question multiply times and then working out the language you may have used to the point of "what are they actually asking"?
When I am a 100% sure I answer it, if I am not sure I don't, because most are not patient enough to put it into laymen terms for me.
It can be like communicating with a Glaswegian after 20 scotches at times!

I hope you can understand this.

Farage is logical and yet visionary, I have these trait that's why I get him. Yes the immigration has been off the scale under the Tories but Blair opened the gates originally and it damaged us to the point of internal fighting.

I will not get deeply into this because of my dyslexia, otherwise someone will spin it in a wrong way and Starmer law will be chucking out more paedophiles to find a space for Ronnie.

That's another thing why so many are becoming Reform members?

The Seismograph will struggle to cope with the swing towards Reform come 2029.

Maybe you will join up before then?

If you could reply to me please?

How many things do you feel Starmers has got badly wrong since July?

A list would help me thanks.

How convenient.

Bodian · Dec 10, 2024

Thunder Bolt said:
Farage has more than one policy?

1. Kick out the foreigners
2. Transfer wealth from the poorest to the wealthiest
3. Make St George's Day a public holiday.

And probably some others.....

A1X · Dec 10, 2024

Giraffe said:
I think if you’re comparing the two as the same thing you’re in for a big shock in a few years. UKIP was a one policy party.

Reform is a totally different party and will have a much higher level of popularity.

Will they?

Reform in 2024 basically had a perfect storm. Loads of disaffected Tories, people not yet realising quite what a disaster Brexit / Trump 2.0 are, no media criticism, their only realistic leader getting wall-to-wall fawning TV coverage. And still they managed only 5 MPs.

Xenophobic billionaire-rimming only has a certain appeal to the UK electorate, and they’ve already hoovered that up. There’s not much room for expansion.

chickens · Dec 10, 2024

I think the Conservative Party may (behind the scenes) be trying to tack back toward the centre ground. Since becoming the leader of the opposition, Conservative Party strategists seem to have sat firmly on their new leader’s head to prevent her going out and saying something outrageous.

This leaves Nige a bit of elbow room at the “mad cranks” end of the right. The ultra-rich frustrated that the Conservatives won’t move as far right as they (their monied donors) want them to, seem to be moving across. I won’t say it can’t happen, because we thought that in America, but the British haven’t historically been keen on single-issue cranks.

Will deeply-filled pockets and a decent social media campaign at the next election be enough? Or will a Conservative/Reform rivalry just see them taking votes off each other?

Thunder Bolt · Dec 10, 2024

Bodian said:
1. Kick out the foreigners
2. Transfer wealth from the poorest to the wealthiest
3. Make St George's Day a public holiday.

And probably some others.....

Oh yes, Farage supports fox hunting.

The Clamp · Dec 10, 2024

Giraffe said:
I think if you’re comparing the two as the same thing you’re in for a big shock in a few years. UKIP was a one policy party.

Reform is a totally different party and will have a much higher level of popularity.

June this year;

Nigel Farage under fire after campaigners filmed making racist comments

Row breaks just as Tories believe they have found a viable attack line against Farage over Ukraine.

www.politico.eu

The outlet filmed a canvasser named as Andrew Parker describing Rishi Sunak as a “f*cking P**i,” saying small boats should be used as “target practice” and that “we’re f*cking kicking all the Muslims out the mosques and turning them into Wetherspoons.”

Reform aide George Jones said the “f*cking degenerate” Pride flag was promoting “nonces” and “our police officers will be paramilitaries.”

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