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The Clamp

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Jan 11, 2016
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Lots of experts of the issue have been warning of “inevitable” pandemics since 2020.

I’m sure they may be correct. But they’re just nerds seeing their chance to get on the news.

Hopefully the next one will be a mild flu variant, like Covid. And not some face eating horror.
 


Zeberdi

“Vorsprung durch Technik”
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Oct 20, 2022
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I meant it was pointed out that preparations were being made incase of other pandemics.
You said you ‘imagine’ the things I said needed to be done were already being done. You basically said it to play down the importance and dismiss the validity of my comments and scientific community highlighting the necessity for research etc

As does this
But they’re just nerds seeing their chance to get on the news.

We have made a start since Covid but our ability to respond to another pandemic, one that could be worse, are still woefully inadequate.

And this comment below is simply contrary to the thinking by health scientists, including WHO

Hopefully the next one will be a mild flu variant, like Covid.
It won’t be because if it was, it would not be a pandemic and Covid was not a mild flu variant - it was a common cold variant that killed over 7 million people worldwide.
 
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jcdenton08

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Oct 17, 2008
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Lots of experts of the issue have been warning of “inevitable” pandemics since 2020.

I’m sure they may be correct. But they’re just nerds seeing their chance to get on the news.

Hopefully the next one will be a mild flu variant, like Covid. And not some face eating horror.
I’m sure the fact it is/was a “mild flu variant” is of great comfort to the families of the millions who died of it. It’s certainly a comfort to me here in the Royal Sussex hospital as I receive oxygen.
 


Paulie Gualtieri

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May 8, 2018
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Obviously take professional medical advice. Isn't the key point that the vaccines should reduce the effects/dangers from later catching Covid, particularly in risk groups?
That was my understanding from the outset hence why I took the jabs without question.

However I’ve always been impacted for a week after taking the jabs and have still had covid twice with average symptoms.

I am
Sure I’ve had Covid again in the last month and the symptoms were no worse, so questioning whether giving myself Covid via the jabs and having a week of discomfort is worth it, accepting there are different strains of it so cannot really be comparable
 




Zeberdi

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questioning whether giving myself Covid via the jabs and having a week of discomfort is worth it, accepting there are different strains of it so cannot really be comparable
It’s impossible to ’give yourself’ Covid from the jabs because no live virus is used in mRNA vaccines.

The reaction you feel after the boosters is your body having an immune response/inflammation to the harmless ‘spike proteins’ that are produced in the cells by the vaccine (to mimic the surface of the Covid virus) and thus creating antibodies.

A reaction to the jabs is good, it shows your immune system is working!
 


Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
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That was my understanding from the outset hence why I took the jabs without question.

However I’ve always been impacted for a week after taking the jabs and have still had covid twice with average symptoms.

I am
Sure I’ve had Covid again in the last month and the symptoms were no worse, so questioning whether giving myself Covid via the jabs and having a week of discomfort is worth it, accepting there are different strains of it so cannot really be comparable

Dangerous not to, for when you do catch Covid? The people who didn’t make it in the pandemic saw the whole body attacked, organs started shutting down. Weigh that up against what you endure during the week.
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Lots of experts of the issue have been warning of “inevitable” pandemics since 2020.

I’m sure they may be correct. But they’re just nerds seeing their chance to get on the news.

Hopefully the next one will be a mild flu variant, like Covid. And not some face eating horror.
We often get epidemics but pandemics are rare, like one a century.
 






nickjhs

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Apr 9, 2017
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I've never had it. But I do rather dread the eventuality. I don't know how many jabs I've had. Maybe two. I'm not even sure if I'm supposed to have had another one. I should get it if so.
I am the same, however our little poll backs up the wider stats of people who are immune to covid. When tested a lot of "never had it" do have antibodies, suggesting they have come into contact with the disease but fought it off.
 


Paulie Gualtieri

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May 8, 2018
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It’s impossible to ’give yourself’ Covid from the jabs because no live virus is used in mRNA vaccines.

The reaction you feel after the boosters is your body having an immune response/inflammation to the harmless ‘spike proteins’ that are produced in the cells by the vaccine (to mimic the surface of the Covid virus) and thus creating antibodies.

A reaction to the jabs is good, it shows your immune system is working!
You are correct, I’d taken the assumption like most other vaccines that vaccines include a mild dose of the virus for your body to fight, hence why I’ve not taken the renewal as suspect I had it and didn’t see the point in feeling worse again.

However I have read up and paid particular attention to the guidance from the British Heart Foundation and have booked myself in for a booster tomorrow. 👍🏻
 




lawros left foot

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Jun 11, 2011
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I’ve had it twice, 4 jabs now, I think.

First time, in 2021, not well at all, not much of a cough, but, felt awful, lightheaded, weak, and I ached all over. Getting out of breath going up the stairs which was about all I could manage.

Second time was just like a bad cold,I wouldn’t have thought it was COVID if I hadn’t tested.

One symptom not spoken about much, was the very painful, how can I put this, bum.

Second time that was the most painful thing about it.

Since the first bout, I find I get out of breath a lot more, I used to be able to climb the stairs at the Amex to the WSU in one go, now I have to stop and catch my breathe at least once,more often twice.
 


Half Time Pies

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Sep 7, 2003
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Brighton
This doesn't answer the first big question, did lockdown work? For example, Peru's government followed lockdown in deadly earnest, Brazil had a fruitcake prime minister who thought it was all a hoax - and yet Brazil had fewer excess deaths than Peru. From what I can gather, lockdown would have had to have been taken far more seriously to work with this virus. To the extent of army in hazmat suits delivering food and people being literally banned from leaving the house.
I don't have a lot of knowledge of Brazil and Peru but I would imagine that they are very different countries in terms of things like demographics, economy, wealth, culture, welfare systems and healthcare systems, all of which could have contributed to the differences in COVID excess deaths between the two countries.
 


PILTDOWN MAN

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Sep 15, 2004
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This hasn't gone away, a very close family member is on life support aged just 23.
 




dsr-burnley

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Aug 15, 2014
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I am the same, however our little poll backs up the wider stats of people who are immune to covid. When tested a lot of "never had it" do have antibodies, suggesting they have come into contact with the disease but fought it off.
Partly it depends on how big a dose you get. If you start off with a huge dose and you don't have antibodies ready, then you must be in a worse position than someone who starts with a small dose. The antibodies start gearing up for action but the virus is multiplying like stink, and the bigger head start the virus has, the better its chances. (It's amended now because they inject dead vaccines not live ones, but I believe the initial principle of vaccines was that you get a tiny tiny does of the disease so that the body learns what antibodies are needed to fight it when you get a serious dose.)

Of course it's also true that some people's immune systems are better than others, either for this specific virus or in general. Luck of the draw.
 














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