The Clamp
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[Misc] COVID… again
- Thread starter jcdenton08
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- Oct 20, 2022
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I think there’s a separate conversation to be had other than the highly politicised one that seems to dog this issue.
If we have another deadly pandemic that was killing previously healthy ( and young!) people with no immediate vaccine available let there be no doubt, every responsible government will again use physical bio security measures to protect ALL its citizens, including the sick and vulnerable in Society ( even if it is primarily to safeguard the healthcare services from collapsing.
That means we either accept curfews and lockdowns until a vaccine roll out or accept that we have a government that not only regards the weaker members of society as dispensable to serve the ‘greater economic good’ but is willing to play Russian Roulette with healthy people too.
And it is likely an even more deadly strain of a zoonotic virus will jump into the human species at some point. Wet markets in Asia, climate change, international travel and poor animal husbandry ( including intensive farming) in other parts of the world almost guarantees it.
What we can do, is be better prepared by for example
If we have another deadly pandemic that was killing previously healthy ( and young!) people with no immediate vaccine available let there be no doubt, every responsible government will again use physical bio security measures to protect ALL its citizens, including the sick and vulnerable in Society ( even if it is primarily to safeguard the healthcare services from collapsing.
That means we either accept curfews and lockdowns until a vaccine roll out or accept that we have a government that not only regards the weaker members of society as dispensable to serve the ‘greater economic good’ but is willing to play Russian Roulette with healthy people too.
And it is likely an even more deadly strain of a zoonotic virus will jump into the human species at some point. Wet markets in Asia, climate change, international travel and poor animal husbandry ( including intensive farming) in other parts of the world almost guarantees it.
What we can do, is be better prepared by for example
- being in a better position to make a coordinated global response
- have international funding in place to help developed countries have timely access to vaccines
- research into potential zoonotic viruses that are already jumping species barriers ( like monkey pox, bird flu etc) and start producing blueprints for vaccines
The Clamp
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I would imagine these things are being worked on and many will be in place.
As much as I don’t wish to see people die. We live on a planet absolutely infested with things great and small that can and will kill us.
Every now and again, pandemics will happen.
Nice to be prepared but wise to realise that such is life.
dsr-burnley
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- Aug 15, 2014
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This doesn't answer the first big question, did lockdown work? For example, Peru's government followed lockdown in deadly earnest, Brazil had a fruitcake prime minister who thought it was all a hoax - and yet Brazil had fewer excess deaths than Peru. From what I can gather, lockdown would have had to have been taken far more seriously to work with this virus. To the extent of army in hazmat suits delivering food and people being literally banned from leaving the house.
The Clamp
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“Lockdown” was an absolute farce. Only China took it seriously and it didn’t work for them. And I suspect China only took it so seriously because they didn’t want investigators sniffing around their laboratories.
Viruses like this cannot be controlled. Not with the measures humans are prepared to endure, anyway.
It’s a nonsense.
Wardy's twin
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- Oct 21, 2014
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How do you react to the jab, my wife has no natural immune system and is pretty ill for 48 hours after each jab. This time it has had longer term effects .
Wardy's twin
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- Oct 21, 2014
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I had it once and was ok with it despite having dodgy lungs i.e. very minor symptoms. Only really found out because I was testing often because my wife is very vulnerable.
aolstudios
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I'm immunosuppressed & haven't had any seriously bad reactions. Seems to be quite random
Wardy's twin
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- Oct 21, 2014
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Thanks...yeah not predictable at times.
Given the numbers of people living in favelas in Brazil whose lives are unreported, let alone their deaths, your assessment is fanciful at best.
"According to a 2022 census supplement, 16.39 million people in Brazil live in favelas, which is 8.1% of the country's population."
And that number is a guess.
Let's see now, are the numbers of people living in favelas and their excess mortality likely to be over- or under-reported by the self aggrandizing nutweasels running Brazil? Hmmmm...
I normally agree with you but on this occasion....
Not wishing to rerun the Covid debate again, in the UK decisions were made that hastened the deaths of the old and vulnerable, while causing confusing and disdain for Johnson and Handoncock among the rest of us.
All might have been forgiven if the 'rulers' had acted with contrition and not tried to monetize it for personal gain. That's about all there is left now the dust has settled. At least we are shot of Johnson.
In hindsight a Swedish approach coupled with isolation of the sick and old may have allowed the pandemic to pass with less disruption.
But it is too late now.
For the record I had one episode in Jan 21 (mild symptoms), have been jabbed around 5 times, and consider myself fortunate.
dsr-burnley
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Nontheless, respected authorities have calculated that Peru's death rate was more than double Brazil's and the rest of the continent. Brazil's government is far from perfect, but it isn't North Korea by any means.
COVID‐19 in Latin America and the Caribbean: Two years of the pandemic - PMC
Worldwide, nations have struggled during the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID‐19) pandemic. However, Latin America and the Caribbean faced an unmatched catastrophic toll. As of March 2022, the region has reported approximately 15% of cases and 28% of ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
dejavuatbtn
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Been poorly for 24 hours and a bit meh for a couple of days, injection site sore for a week but otherwise been ok. the jab is supposed to reduce the impact when getting the virus, so perhaps if your wife does get it, it won’t hopefully be really bad. We put a lot of faith in the injection but no one really know just how good it is in reducing its effects.
Yours is an assessment of n=1 nation per group. There is absolutely nothing to infer other than Peru is not Brazil.Nontheless, respected authorities have calculated that Peru's death rate was more than double Brazil's and the rest of the continent. Brazil's government is far from perfect, but it isn't North Korea by any means.
COVID‐19 in Latin America and the Caribbean: Two years of the pandemic - PMC
Worldwide, nations have struggled during the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID‐19) pandemic. However, Latin America and the Caribbean faced an unmatched catastrophic toll. As of March 2022, the region has reported approximately 15% of cases and 28% of ...
I already knew that.
I was under the impression you had a bit more idea about what constitutes an experiment. Oh well.
dsr-burnley
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At risk of pressing the point to excess, if the question is "why didn't lockdown work in Peru", there are numerous possible, useful answers, but "Peru is not Brazil" isn't one of them. We need to know if lockdown did have a positive effect on saving lives and reducing the spread of the virus, and comparing nations with different policies and establishing the reasons for the different results is vital.
This affects covid and pandemic plans going forward. We know lockdown did lots of harm, but can we prove that it did more good than harm?
ROSM
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My reaction to the most recent jab is the worst one so far (had flu jab at same time). Swollen and itchy arm at injection site which has hone bright ref..mild flu symptoms and overwhelming tiredness for 24 hrs
Wardy's twin
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- Oct 21, 2014
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She did have it and was intensive care and not looking very good. Her oncologists suggested a couple of drugs which turned her around . Two months later one of them was announced as the miracle drug to save people. The problem is the jab hits her very hard for 48 hours (very high temperature) and then side affects this time lasting 2 months. It just knocks her right back.
I've had all my jabs and will continue to do so (I'm 71 and "at risk") and to my knowledge I've had Covid once soon after lockdown finished - and I tested purely because my wife had it quite badly, so I thought I should check. I've never had anything more than an itch after a jab.
I was completely asymptomatic - and I don't know why or how this has changed to italics.
and Yes, I do feel lucky.
I was completely asymptomatic - and I don't know why or how this has changed to italics.
and Yes, I do feel lucky.
What symptoms do you have?
I have what I thought was a stinking cold since Saturday night.