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I'm not one for overly punitive sentences, but this is surely deserving of a far more lengthy time being locked up than seven and a half years - probably out far sooner? :(

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Cheshire mother of child hidden in drawer from birth jailed

Prosecutors say the girl had "never known daylight or fresh air" when she was found.
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birthofanorange said:
I'm not one for overly punitive sentences, but this is surely deserving of a far more lengthy time being locked up than seven and a half years - probably out far sooner? :(

www.bbc.co.uk

Cheshire mother of child hidden in drawer from birth jailed

Prosecutors say the girl had "never known daylight or fresh air" when she was found.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Obviously I know nothing about this case. However the Jury and the Judge have heard every horrendous detail of this situation. I may not like the result, from the headlines I've seen, but I've generally found the British justice system to be excellent in their judgement having heard and decided on the full facts.
 


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What do you want - a public execution?
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Hardly (and that was uncalled for, imho), but I do feel that it's a very lenient punishment for what is a horrendous crime.
Still, clearly some may think it's fair and appropriate, however, I certainly don't.
 








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Obviously I know nothing about this case. However the Jury and the Judge have heard every horrendous detail of this situation. I may not like the result, from the headlines I've seen, but I've generally found the British justice system to be excellent in their judgement having heard and decided on the full facts.
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Without knowing anything about this, post natal depression comes to mind. I knew of someone who suffered really badly, not acknowledging their child in any way, went into residential mental healthcare, before finally being cured. Her two previous pregnancies were without problems. Once back with the family she was fine. Fortunately her husband was very supportive and a great father.
i can imagine a scenario where a mother hides away a child in denial.

As I said, I know nothing about this case, but it could be something similar.
 


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Thunder Bolt said:
Without knowing anything about this, post natal depression comes to mind. I knew of someone who suffered really badly, not acknowledging their child in any way, went into residential mental healthcare, before finally being cured. Her two previous pregnancies were without problems. Once back with the family she was fine. Fortunately her husband was very supportive and a great father.
i can imagine a scenario where a mother hides away a child in denial.

As I said, I know nothing about this case, but it could be something similar.
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The only people who really know what actually happened in this case are the jury and the judge

The rest of us only know it's tragic :shrug:
 


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birthofanorange said:
Hardly (and that was uncalled for, imho), but I do feel that it's a very lenient punishment for what is a horrendous crime.
Still, clearly some may think it's fair and appropriate, however, I certainly don't.
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It’s all subjective isn’t it from the public’s pov.

Personally I find it unsurprising - it was obviously abnormal behaviour so presumably the court heard mitigating evidence.

We just don’t know without reading the Judgment what the reasons were for the sentence.

This one really pissed me off - 24 months ( out earlier fgb no doubt) and a 40 month ban for paralysing a mother - some 17 year old **** driving with his knees and filming himself on insta/taking selfies 😡

The woman and her family’s lives are ruined forever and she is going to face a lifetime of pain and suffering.

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Teen filmed himself driving with knees before A47 Norwich crash - BBC News

Videos show George Taylor filming himself at the wheel while speeding and overtaking.
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- I suspect prison overcrowding is also taken into consideration when sentencing too.
 




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Zeberdi said:
- I suspect prison overcrowding is also taken into consideration when sentencing too.
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It shouldn't be. Justices sentence and it is then up to the relevant authorities (Prison Service, Probation etc) to "make it work".
 


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Obviously more to it and the decision was made by someone who had all the information and a full understanding of the circumstances that lead to this happening.

Its hard to judge when not in full possession of all the facts.

What a f***ing heartbreaking thing to happen though. Very upsetting.
 






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Judges have guidelines for sentencing so when a sentence seems unduly lenient it’s usually because the government guidelines for that crime dictate the length of sentence.
 


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And this.
"A man who was arrested on suspicion of attempted murder over the shooting of an eight-year-old girl and her father in west London has been released on bail."

HERE

How can that be right unless they don't think it was him?
 


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birthofanorange said:
I'm not one for overly punitive sentences, but this is surely deserving of a far more lengthy time being locked up than seven and a half years - probably out far sooner? :(

www.bbc.co.uk

Cheshire mother of child hidden in drawer from birth jailed

Prosecutors say the girl had "never known daylight or fresh air" when she was found.
www.bbc.co.uk
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There was another case in the media the other day of a 'mum' whose 'boyfriend' damaged her 2 year old so badly the coroner said it was worse than a car smash. Later they pushed the corpse around in a pram while smoking crack. White trash, in case anyone is curious. I didn't start a thread on it because these things are rare and repulsive.

But, yes, throw away the key.
 


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BNthree said:
Judges have guidelines for sentencing so when a sentence seems unduly lenient it’s usually because the government guidelines for that crime dictate the length of sentence.
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And yet the government has been attacked by the 'anti-woke' for the courts (nothing to do with the government) locking up the twat rioters in the summer.

Your typical 'anti-woke' wanka wants longer sentences (for people doing crimes apart from the ones they do) and 'less' taxes. OK mates. But we could pay for it all, easy, if we throw out all the foringers and stop the boats. Sure we can.

The usual sorts among the public cherry pick cases to suit their own prejudices.

My suspicion is that on the whole the sentencing rubrics are managed well. Better than they would be with Farage or Andrew Tate or Badenough interfering.

And we get the governments and laws that we deserve.
 




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There is a case for forced sterilisation when you look at people like these.

Unfortunately it's a very slippery slope.
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A lifelong mate of mine, lifelong anti-racist, pro LGB (and its later manifestations), (a bit too) pro-Palestine (for my liking), former Grunwick picket volunteer, pro CND, former volunteer at Centre Point, former state school teacher in Brixton, foster parent of numerous 'worst case' kids (the hardest to place), and recently retired schools inspector, has a strong view on this.

He recons there are 70-100 thousand 'families' in the UK with generational unemployment, petty criminality, drug use, single 'parenthood' and dependence on state handouts. His solution to this generational endless cycle is..... compulsory sterilization at puberty.

I make no comment on this other than he's been there and seen it and done it. I haven't.
 


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It shouldn't be. Justices sentence and it is then up to the relevant authorities (Prison Service, Probation etc) to "make it work".
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It isn't. Apart from the directives that were made public recently. And that was about petty offending.
 


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