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[News] Is Britain work shy ?



Leekbrookgull

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Plenty today regarding the thread title and apparently 9.5 million out of education, looking for work, training etc. Maybe others will see it differently but as one caller described on R5 if you are in work then moving around the employment market is so much easier and as some have said you won't get the job you always want so take a job and press on. Your thoughts.
 






Rdodge30

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Yes.


Very few people have a job they love

Most of us fall into one of two categories either a job you hate or (mostly) a job you don’t hate. People said to me you love your job, I said no I just don’t hate it.

The same sense of entitlement that seems to have crept into so many aspects of modern life seems to be apparent in the attitudes of SOME who aren’t working.
 




tedebear

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I don't think its an issue unique to the UK or Britian per se. Young people used to think they could finish education and either head off to uni, then a job or straight from school to a job. But they can't. People are staying in existing jobs longer, as its harder to find one, and the cost of living ensures people who may have changed jobs before, now will tolerate jobs they don't like in order to pay the bills. Corporates who find it difficult to sack poor workers, so do everything possible to hang on to the good ones...People on benefits who realise that if they go to work, they may earn less as the line between benefits and minimum wage is apalling.... Very little manufacturing, apprentice schemes which are impossible to get into as there are so few, and so on...The concept of a "job" has changed too...social media / influencers / digital lifestyle cotent creators has given a generation a view that they might not actually need a formal "job"....

My point is, its not just one thing...its a catalog of loads of things...
 




A1X

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Huge fan of how this thread and all the replies (so far) have appeared during work hours*

*I’m off today so can make this comment without hypocrisy!
 












Man of Harveys

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If you’re posting on here too much, yes.
 












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People don't like to work if the reward is nothing.

In every western country, there's a housing bubble that means you need to work some 20 years to be able to afford a house or apartment.

If you compare that to mid-90s and earlier, you could often work only two-three years and afford it.

People have a very difficult time motivating themselves to do something when the reward is twenty years away. Unless something happens of course, like a financial crash or mass unemployment. In that case maybe the hard work won't really reward itself for 30 or 40 years.

"Work shy" is certainly one way of phrasing it. "On their knees, crushed by hopelessness" is another way, more accurate with reality if you actually ask them.
 






The Clamp

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Hmm.

The problem as I see it is that there are vast swathes of jobs that pay minimum wage or thereabouts.

It’s not easy to live on that, let alone create savings.

People lose motivation when their job offers them no future except living pay cheque to pay cheque.

Minimum wage should be raised immediately to around the £16 ph mark.

Of course, there are the generationally unemployed. Those who have never seen a parent go out to work and have no inclination to ever apply for work.

They need to be forced into work immediately. Or lose their benefits. They have sat on their spotty arses for far too long.
 




Commander

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Han Solo said:
People don't like to work if the reward is nothing.

In every western country, there's a housing bubble that means you need to work some 20 years to be able to afford a house or apartment.

If you compare that to mid-90s and earlier, you could often work only two-three years and afford it.

People have a very difficult time motivating themselves to do something when the reward is twenty years away. Unless something happens of course, like a financial crash or mass unemployment. In that case maybe the hard work won't really reward itself for 30 or 40 years.

"Work shy" is certainly one way of phrasing it. "On their knees, crushed by hopelessness" is another way, more accurate with reality if you actually ask them.
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Yes re property. But that is not the only reason to work, is it? You can enjoy a far better life working than you can not working, even if you don't own your own home. So the reward isn't nothing. It's enjoying a nice life where you get to do the things you want to do.
 


jackalbion

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Han Solo said:
People don't like to work if the reward is nothing.

In every western country, there's a housing bubble that means you need to work some 20 years to be able to afford a house or apartment.

If you compare that to mid-90s and earlier, you could often work only two-three years and afford it.

People have a very difficult time motivating themselves to do something when the reward is twenty years away. Unless something happens of course, like a financial crash or mass unemployment. In that case maybe the hard work won't really reward itself for 30 or 40 years.

"Work shy" is certainly one way of phrasing it. "On their knees, crushed by hopelessness" is another way, more accurate with reality if you actually ask them.
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Very true, I'm very lucky that I do a pretty boring job for most people, but one I enjoy immensely, I don't necessarily want more money in another job because this is what I enjoy, but can understand why those would feel like that, it must be soul destroying to do a job you hate for very little reward.
 


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