[Politics] Assisted dying

Seagull58 · 2024-11-25T14:50:59+0000

Thunder Bolt said:
Antenatal is post birth. There are unnecessary abortions, like it or not. It’s a whole different discussion.

Antenatal is pre-birth. Postnatal is after birth.
Antenatal care is the care you get from health professionals during your pregnancy. It's sometimes called pregnancy care or maternity care. You'll be offered appointments with a midwife, or sometimes a doctor who specialises in pregnancy and birth (an obstetrician).

Thunder Bolt · 2024-11-25T14:51:55+0000

Seagull58 said:
Antenatal is pre-birth. Postnatal is after birth.

Yes you’re right. I’m not having a good day, today.

ROSM · 2024-11-25T14:52:31+0000

Thunder Bolt said:
Antenatal is post birth. There are unnecessary abortions, like it or not. It’s a whole different discussion.

Antenatal is during pregnancy. Post natal is post birth

Thunder Bolt said:
Palliative care ensures nobody would die in agony from illness. This is why we have hospices.

That's a tough one as I have witnessed people under palliative care still suffer in pain crying at the end. I have also seen hospices do some fantastic work. The issue is that no two deaths and no two people are the same.

Seagull58 · 2024-11-25T14:53:23+0000

loz said:
I don’t know but when nearing the end don’t some medical staff quicken the end by upping some pain meds to help the patients pass peacefully and quickly ?

I'm 99% sure that's what they did 3 or 4 minutes before my father passed away.

Tom Hark Preston Park · 2024-11-25T14:56:43+0000

Thunder Bolt said:
Palliative care ensures nobody would die in agony from illness. This is why we have hospices.

I know that. They do wonderful work. Many would like the option tho of opting out while they still resemble the person their loved ones loved

Mellor 3 Ward 4 · 2024-11-25T14:57:39+0000

Thunder Bolt said:
It appears that way, at the moment, but exceptions start being made, and then it broadens, as it did in Canada. I can visualise an elderly person, with their own home, ‘being persuaded‘, once diagnosed with dementia. No law is watertight.

That's waht concerns me.

Herr Tubthumper · 2024-11-25T15:01:14+0000

I'm in favour in principle, it's the safe-guards which I worry about.

Gabbafella · 2024-11-25T15:06:25+0000

Provided the person is of sound mind then absolutely agree the choice should be theirs.

KZNSeagull · 2024-11-25T15:09:08+0000

Kim Leadbeater, who is bringing the bill forward, talks about it on the Rest Is Politics Leading podcast which came out today.

Lyndhurst 14 · 2024-11-25T15:10:31+0000

loz said:
I don’t know but when nearing the end don’t some medical staff quicken the end by upping some pain meds to help the patients pass peacefully and quickly ?

This is what happened with my Mother with the consent of my brother and myself, and if my Mother could have spoken she would have agreed to it as well

Trevor · 2024-11-25T15:11:18+0000

Whilst respecting that this is difficult, I am in favour. I reckon that if I got beyond any quality of life, I would want to check-out early. I feel the apparent majority public view should be respected on this one.

Thunder Bolt · 2024-11-25T15:13:20+0000

It’s possible to sign a Do not resuscitate now, before any law change.

Trevor · 2024-11-25T15:15:29+0000

Seagull58 said:
I'm 99% sure that's what they did 3 or 4 minutes before my father passed away.

With my Mum I was asked about my attitude to her comfort vs Prolonging of life. I feel that patient preference may help everyone in the future in some instances

The Clamp · 2024-11-25T15:19:52+0000

I’m for regulated choice.

The last few months of my parents lives were absolutely horrendous and if it were me in that position, I’d want to go before it gets to that stage. They were given life ending doses of morphine to end their suffering.

My older brother who died at aged 39 was on life support for 24 hrs before we made the decision to switch it off. I suppose he could have carried on indefinitely on the machines but could not survive without them, his death was inevitable, so is what we did not Euthanasia?

Euthanasia is carried out in the U.K. everyday but not at the patients’ request. The law should be amended to make it the patients choice.

Badger · 2024-11-25T15:26:15+0000

Thunder Bolt said:
It appears that way, at the moment, but exceptions start being made, and then it broadens, as it did in Canada. I can visualise an elderly person, with their own home, ‘being persuaded‘, once diagnosed with dementia. No law is watertight.

Yes, it has definitely become a problem in Canada. It's very difficult to draw a line and someone with dementia probably doesn't know what they are signing up for.

The Clamp · 2024-11-25T15:27:46+0000

Seagull58 said:
I'm 99% sure that's what they did 3 or 4 minutes before my father passed away.

My Dad died in a hospice.

That afternoon I was asked to stay overnight by the nurses.

I was dozing off in the chair next to his bed and vaguely noticed some activity around my Dad. Then the nurses woke me up and said the time has come.

He died listening to the Shipping Forecast. He had fallen asleep listening to the shipping forecast every night of his life and had also done so in the hospice and I’m sure the nurses noticed and wanted him to slip away with that playing.

They 100% knew what they were doing and I appreciate them doing so.

essbee1 · 2024-11-25T15:30:52+0000

We knew the time was coming when the GP said 'nil by mouth' including water (risk of choking). My Dad
was on morphine and was never in pain. The last two months or so of his life were not fun. But I daresay
he would have said 'it's ultimately the individual's choice' re: what they want.

Thunder Bolt · 2024-11-25T15:32:04+0000

Badger said:
Yes, it has definitely become a problem in Canada. It's very difficult to draw a line and someone with dementia probably doesn't know what they are signing up for.

I have read several comments like this, which was why I used Canada as the example.
Everybody agrees dying painfully is appalling but can any law be 100% regulated? Are there enough safeguards for the future?

happypig · 2024-11-25T15:37:17+0000

Thunder Bolt said:
It’s possible to sign a Do not resuscitate now, before any law change.

Without going in to too much detail, my experience of that with my mother-in-law was some staff treated it as "Do not bother to treat"; She couldn't stretch her arms out to eat the food they put on the table above her bed (in her care home she would eat off her lap but being prone in a hospital bed prevented that). When we pointed this out to one of the nurses we were told "What does it matter, she's got a DNR". Of course it was denied when we complained...

Anyways, back on track, I would like to have the choice to end my life at a time of my choosing if I am diagnosed with a life-changing condition. I don't think it's reasonable for the state to prolong a life.

Silverhatch · 2024-11-25T15:37:33+0000

Make an Advanced Decision. While of sound mind make your wishes known to family, friends, GP & have it pinned on your health record. This is what we’ve done. My motivation was seeing three immediate family members suffering long, lingering deaths.

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