[News] Farmers

Herr Tubthumper · 2024-11-22T16:58:30+0000

abc said:
Perhaps because you already made your mind up and you haven’t wanted to consider the many convincing arguments put forward on here and elsewhere.
But fair enough, we all do that from time to time and vive la difference!

I have listened, and responded on here. Try me again if you like. Or turning the argument around why do you believe they should be treated differently to other businesses?

I don’t just blindly accept what Labour do but on this I’m wifh them.

ManOfSussex · 2024-11-22T16:59:03+0000

Herr Tubthumper said:
I just want farmers to be treated like the rest of us. I just want fairness. Remove Agriculture Relief for IHT and replace it with the general Business Relief for IHT which everyone else has to abide by.

I have not heard one convincing argument for their special treatment yet.

Just doff your cap at the landowners and know your place.

Bodian · 2024-11-22T16:59:57+0000

abc said:
So most of this if for environmental measures and is not a subsidy but a payment for lost income and a contribution towards the cost of doing it. What the gov term ‘public goods’.
Subsidies for actual farming went with Brexit

Yes - okay. 'Payments direct from the government for maintaining the land.' Or 'Direct Government assistance to farmers'

'Subsidy' to most of us - pretty much the same thing; just for maintaining their land in a different way.

But if we take it that 'farmers' are now being 'paid' by the government for environmental measures and the public goods - it puts a bit more perspective on all their recent comments about 'we have to be treated specially because we are feeding the country', and so on.

beorhthelm · 2024-11-22T17:04:19+0000

Herr Tubthumper said:
I just want farmers to be treated like the rest of us. I just want fairness. Remove Agriculture Relief for IHT and replace it with the general Business Relief for IHT which everyone else has to abide by.

I have not heard one convincing argument for their special treatment yet.

as far as i can tell it's the same. there's some minor detail different between agricultre and business relief but broadly the same. the issue seems to be farmers encounter the IHT rule more because they farm well past retirement until they drop. possibly to avoid capital gains during their lifetime that other business are more content to accept.

RandyWanger · 2024-11-22T17:08:01+0000

Herr Tubthumper said:
I just want farmers to be treated like the rest of us. I just want fairness. Remove Agriculture Relief for IHT and replace it with the general Business Relief for IHT which everyone else has to abide by.

I have not heard one convincing argument for their special treatment yet.

Everyone equally poor (except the ruling elite)

Assume you are wanting the royals to pay their fair share? Hugh Grosvenor was let off with a 4 billion that should have been taxed.

nicko31 · 2024-11-22T17:22:57+0000

RandyWanger said:
Anyone still defending this governments attack on farmers?

£536.4 million is being spent on ten active funding programmes focused on supporting farmers and farming communities abroad.

In 2024/25 alone, the UK is spending £110 million on agricultural foreign aid projects and £445 million on environmental foreign aid projects.

You forgot the post Brexit trade deals allowing sub-standard products flood our market at knockdown prices.

That would be worth protesting about seeing as it might actually effect farmers who are alive.

Deference UK continues...

dsr-burnley · 2024-11-22T17:24:31+0000

beorhthelm said:
as far as i can tell it's the same. there's some minor detail different between agricultre and business relief but broadly the same. the issue seems to be farmers encounter the IHT rule more because they farm well past retirement until they drop. possibly to avoid capital gains during their lifetime that other business are more content to accept.

The reason farmers will suffer IHT at a rate way beyond they can pay, is because 80% and more of the value of their land is purely speculative value, not its value as farmland.

The original IHT exemption was to ensure that farmland should remain farmland as far as possible. The effect of this policy, even if it wasn't the purpose of it, will be to force people to find more profitable uses for the land, rather than farming.

A1X · 2024-11-22T17:30:16+0000

Funny but I don’t recall many of those in here saying we should be more concerned for the farmers also opposing Brexit, which has done more damage to farming than this ever could?

Or have they only started appreciating farmers in the last few weeks?

nicko31 · 2024-11-22T17:33:34+0000

A1X said:
Funny but I don’t recall many of those in here saying we should be more concerned for the farmers also opposing Brexit, which has done more damage to farming than this ever could?

Or have they only started appreciating farmers in the last few weeks?

How Boris Johnson sold out Britain’s farmers over dinner with the Australian PM

As the UK-Australia trade deal comes into force, those close to the negotiations reflect on their dramatic — and farcical — climax.

www.politico.eu

After three intensive hours of talks the dinner was reaching a “crescendo,” the former Australian official quoted above said, with the Aussies pressing Johnson to give them what they wanted on beef.

To their amazement, Johnson gave way on tariffs and product weights. Brandis, the high commissioner, moved like a flash, writing down Johnson's pledge on a piece of paper and then excusing himself to go to the washroom. On his way to the toilet he handed the paper to an aide, the same former Australian official added.

Herr Tubthumper · 2024-11-22T18:10:58+0000

dsr-burnley said:
The reason farmers will suffer IHT at a rate way beyond they can pay, is because 80% and more of the value of their land is purely speculative value, not its value as farmland.

The original IHT exemption was to ensure that farmland should remain farmland as far as possible. The effect of this policy, even if it wasn't the purpose of it, will be to force people to find more profitable uses for the land, rather than farming.

Encouraging businesses to be more profitable surely isn’t a bad thing is it? I hadn’t thought of this before but it’s quite a smart move by Labour. Farmer makes more dosh, HMRC get their cut, much needed public services get looked after. Win, win, win.Thanks for highlighting this.

Friday night beckons….on this positive note….have a good one everyone.

BrightonCottager · 2024-11-22T21:26:08+0000

dsr-burnley said:
This idea that Brexit is responsible for anything and everything is surely old hat by now.

Not according to the Home Builders Federation

Terry Butcher Tribute Act · 2024-11-22T21:31:44+0000

Absolutely astonishing that a LABOUR Government can be so shit at managing the PR game that there's 10000 f***ing farmers protesting the streets of Westminster and they can still be getting defended.

Brexit and Covid have absolutely warped people's mind. Especially people who read the Sun, Mail or Guardian

Thunder Bolt · 2024-11-22T21:37:17+0000

Terry Butcher Tribute Act said:
Absolutely astonishing that a LABOUR Government can be so shit at managing the PR game that there's 10000 f***ing farmers protesting the streets of Westminster and they can still be getting defended.

Brexit and Covid have absolutely warped people's mind. Especially people who read the Sun, Mail or Guardian

Lord Rothermere owns the Daily Mail and many acres in Somerset.

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Terry Butcher Tribute Act · 2024-11-22T21:40:21+0000

Thunder Bolt said:
Lord Rothermere owns the Daily Mail and many acres in Somerset.

The ten landowners who own one-sixth of Dorset

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Yep and Keir Starmer runs the country. It's an absolute shit show. Farmers protesting a Labour government after less than 6 months in charge. All on top of the perception of them attacking the pensioners.

It's embarrassing to watch as someone who voted for them.

Bodian · 2024-11-22T22:02:23+0000

dsr-burnley said:
The reason farmers will suffer IHT at a rate way beyond they can pay, is because 80% and more of the value of their land is purely speculative value, not its value as farmland.

The original IHT exemption was to ensure that farmland should remain farmland as far as possible. The effect of this policy, even if it wasn't the purpose of it, will be to force people to find more profitable uses for the land, rather than farming.

Or maybe it will lead to farmland being valued properly as farmland.

Harry Wilson's tackle · 2024-11-22T22:10:57+0000

RandyWanger said:
Everyone equally poor (except the ruling elite)

Assume you are wanting the royals to pay their fair share? Hugh Grosvenor was let off with a 4 billion that should have been taxed.

Should of been.

Just because he wasn't isn't a get out of tax payment-free card for farmers. Why not me? I'd like to pay no tax.

And yes, I would like fries with it.

Harry Wilson's tackle · 2024-11-22T22:15:52+0000

Terry Butcher Tribute Act said:
Yep and Keir Starmer runs the country. It's an absolute shit show. Farmers protesting a Labour government after less than 6 months in charge. All on top of the perception of them attacking the pensioners.

It's embarrassing to watch as someone who voted for them.

Are you embarrassed to watch the embarrassing protesters, or are you embarrassed with the fact their is protesting?

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