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Bry Nylon

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Jul 21, 2003
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Perhaps more intriguing still, are some of the other fraught conversations that have been taking place at the top of government these past few days…

The ‘Big Re-set’, as it is being called, when the government will make a concerted effort to get back on the front foot, is planned for early in the New Year. (There is, it is accepted, little point trying to cut through in the frantic few weeks leading up to Christmas when everyone has already mentally switched off for the year).

However, there is now a growing dread that the immediate post-Christmas period is going to be carnage in the retail and hospitality sectors as the big employers use this traditionally slackest of months to jettison thousands of part-timers and hourly paid full timers, prior to wage and employers’ NI increases from 31 March.

(Whilst private polling has shown that there is undoubted affection in the country for farmers, it all feels a bit complicated and remote to most people, will quickly be forgotten and is unlikely to effect voting intentions drastically).

However, many of those likely to be hit hardest in the retail and hospitality sectors are either young people in their first job - or single parents working flexible ‘school hour’ friendly shifts. The type of people who will find it very hard to get another job and the type of people who sit squarely in Labour’s core support.

So once the Treasury have finished trying to sort out GPs, care homes and farmers, next on the To Do list apparently is trying to estimate what the likely increase in Universal Credit claims will be when the NI increase results in fewer people employed and more people claiming state-funded support.

As a weary mandarin who has had their forthcoming weekend ruined by yet more unpaid number-crunching was heard to witheringly observe, “Rachel understands all about actions but very little about consequences.”
 
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BrightonCottager

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Sep 30, 2013
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That's down to Reeves & Co Shirley?
They seem to be pinning most of their hopes on getting housebuilding going by reforming the planning system (& not actually giving it a lot more resources) and building infrastructure. Don't know where all the builders will come from without undoing Brexit and they will have to find a way of forcing private developers to build the homes they've got permission for. Seems a high risk strategy to me.
 


chip

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Jul 7, 2003
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Glorious Goodwood
Perhaps more intriguing still, are some of the other fraught conversations that have been taking place at the top of government these past few days…

The ‘Big Re-set’, as it is being called, when the government will make a concerted effort to get back on the front foot, is planned for early in the New Year. (There is, it is accepted, little point trying to cut through in the frantic few weeks leading up to Christmas when everyone has already mentally switched off for the year).

However, there is now a growing dread that the immediate post-Christmas period is going to be carnage in the retail and hospitality sectors as the big employers use this traditionally slackest of months to jettison thousands of part-timers and hourly paid full timers, prior to wage and employers’ NI increases from 31 March.

(Whilst private polling has shown that there is undoubted affection in the country for farmers, it all feels a bit complicated and remote to most people, will quickly be forgotten and is unlikely to effect voting intentions drastically).

However, many of those likely to be hit hardest in the retail and hospitality sectors are either young people in their first job - or single parents working flexible ‘school hour’ friendly shifts. The type of people who will find it very hard to get another job and the type of people who sit squarely in Labour’s core support.

So once the Treasury have finished trying to sort out GPs, care homes and farmers, next on the To Do list apparently is trying to estimate what the likely increase in Universal Credit claims will be when the NI increase results in fewer people employed and more people claiming state-funded support.

As a weary mandarin who has had their forthcoming weekend ruined by yet more unpaid number-crunching was heard to witheringly observe, “Rachel understands all about actions but very little about consequences.”
That seems to be a recurring theme recently. I'm sure they will announce a massive training programme for 18-30 year olds and restore full employment by Easter.
 


Bry Nylon

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That seems to be a recurring theme recently. I'm sure they will announce a massive training programme for 18-30 year olds and restore full employment by Easter.
For all of her many talents (?), Attention to Detail isn’t regarded across Whitehall as one of the Chancellor’s strong suits, which seems slightly unfortunate, given her brief.

(As became painfully apparent at the launch of her book, ‘The Women Who Made Modern Economics’ when the assembled hacks quickly realised that numerous passages had simply been copied verbatim from Wikipedia and passed off as her own work).

Foot-weary officials traipsing from one meeting to yet another are being heard to quip that it’s taking longer to unravel the budget than it took to write it.
 
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LamieRobertson

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Feb 3, 2008
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Perhaps more intriguing still, are some of the other fraught conversations that have been taking place at the top of government these past few days…

The ‘Big Re-set’, as it is being called, when the government will make a concerted effort to get back on the front foot, is planned for early in the New Year. (There is, it is accepted, little point trying to cut through in the frantic few weeks leading up to Christmas when everyone has already mentally switched off for the year).

However, there is now a growing dread that the immediate post-Christmas period is going to be carnage in the retail and hospitality sectors as the big employers use this traditionally slackest of months to jettison thousands of part-timers and hourly paid full timers, prior to wage and employers’ NI increases from 31 March.

(Whilst private polling has shown that there is undoubted affection in the country for farmers, it all feels a bit complicated and remote to most people, will quickly be forgotten and is unlikely to effect voting intentions drastically).

However, many of those likely to be hit hardest in the retail and hospitality sectors are either young people in their first job - or single parents working flexible ‘school hour’ friendly shifts. The type of people who will find it very hard to get another job and the type of people who sit squarely in Labour’s core support.

So once the Treasury have finished trying to sort out GPs, care homes and farmers, next on the To Do list apparently is trying to estimate what the likely increase in Universal Credit claims will be when the NI increase results in fewer people employed and more people claiming state-funded support.

As a weary mandarin who has had their forthcoming weekend ruined by yet more unpaid number-crunching was heard to witheringly observe, “Rachel understands all about actions but very little about consequences.”
To that list of misery could be added the possibility of mortgage rates staying higher for longer with fresh inflationary fears
 




Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
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RandyWanger

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Mar 14, 2013
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Done a Frexit, now in London
Anyone still defending this governments attack on farmers?

£536.4 million is being spent on ten active funding programmes focused on supporting farmers and farming communities abroad.

In 2024/25 alone, the UK is spending £110 million on agricultural foreign aid projects and £445 million on environmental foreign aid projects.
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Anyone still defending this governments attack on farmers?

£536.4 million is being spent on ten active funding programmes focused on supporting farmers and farming communities abroad.

In 2024/25 alone, the UK is spending £110 million on agricultural foreign aid projects and £445 million on environmental foreign aid projects.
You do realise that providing 2% of GDP on Foreign Aid, is a requirement of belonging to the UN?
 














Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Are you sure about 2% - I thought that was the figure for defence?
You're right. It's not as high as our contribution to NATO. In fact, it's almost negligible.

 


Bodian

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May 3, 2012
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Cumbria
Anyone still defending this governments attack on farmers?

£536.4 million is being spent on ten active funding programmes focused on supporting farmers and farming communities abroad.

In 2024/25 alone, the UK is spending £110 million on agricultural foreign aid projects and £445 million on environmental foreign aid projects.
£2.9bn in subsidies for UK farmers 2024/25 though. Up £0.5bn from the last few years.
 




dsr-burnley

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Aug 15, 2014
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They seem to be pinning most of their hopes on getting housebuilding going by reforming the planning system (& not actually giving it a lot more resources) and building infrastructure. Don't know where all the builders will come from without undoing Brexit and they will have to find a way of forcing private developers to build the homes they've got permission for. Seems a high risk strategy to me.
Brexit places no restrictions at all on the number of immigrants the government chooses to allow in. This idea that Brexit is responsible for anything and everything is surely old hat by now.

Advance warning - it's going to rain tomorrow, and it won't be the fault of Brexit.
 






Herr Tubthumper

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Anyone still defending this governments attack on farmers?

£536.4 million is being spent on ten active funding programmes focused on supporting farmers and farming communities abroad.

In 2024/25 alone, the UK is spending £110 million on agricultural foreign aid projects and £445 million on environmental foreign aid projects.
I just want farmers to be treated like the rest of us. I just want fairness. Remove Agriculture Relief for IHT and replace it with the general Business Relief for IHT which everyone else has to abide by.

I have not heard one convincing argument for their special treatment yet.

 




abc

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Jan 6, 2007
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£2.9bn in subsidies for UK farmers 2024/25 though. Up £0.5bn from the last few years.

So most of this if for environmental measures and is not a subsidy but a payment for lost income and a contribution towards the cost of doing it. What the gov term ‘public goods’.
Subsidies for actual farming went with Brexit
 


abc

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Jan 6, 2007
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I just want farmers to be treated like the rest of us. I just want fairness. Remove Agriculture Relief for IHT and replace it with the general Business Relief for IHT which everyone else had to abide by.

I have not heard one convincing argument for their special treatment yet.


Perhaps because you already made your mind up and you haven’t wanted to consider the many convincing arguments put forward on here and elsewhere.
But fair enough, we all do that from time to time and vive la difference!
 


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