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[News] Middle East conflict



wellquickwoody

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Well. Make of that what you will. Netanyahu has apparently ordered planes for a ‘rescue’ mission to be sent to Amsterdam (not sure what is wrong with the flights already booked?). There are also claims that Dutch Police ignored pleas for assistance from Tel Aviv fans.

Seems that some people bit off a bit more than they could chew.
 




superseagull1994

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Well. Make of that what you will. Netanyahu has apparently ordered planes for a ‘rescue’ mission to be sent to Amsterdam (not sure what is wrong with the flights already booked?). There are also claims that Dutch Police ignored pleas for assistance from Tel Aviv fans.

Seems that some people bit off a bit more than they could chew.
That story is the main news on the bbc news site https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cwyge1587e5t but no mention of anything in that mail article.
 


jackalbion

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Well. Make of that what you will. Netanyahu has apparently ordered planes for a ‘rescue’ mission to be sent to Amsterdam (not sure what is wrong with the flights already booked?). There are also claims that Dutch Police ignored pleas for assistance from Tel Aviv fans.

Seems that some people bit off a bit more than they could chew.
Where was my private jet!
 


Insel affe

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Not that anyone in the western Governments really care, which is why probably extremists do what they do on both sides.

Nearly 70% of Gaza war dead are women and children, UN says​


 






borat

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Springal

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f*** Israel
f*** the IDF

 






A1X

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They will get what's coming to them eventually, whether it weeks, months or even years, those responsible will eventually face justice.
Unfortunately I disagree. One of the traits of the modern world is that twats who deserve a comeuppance seldom get it.
 






Westdene Seagull

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f*** Israel
f*** the IDF


In a post a few years ago I posted the phrase below and got absolutely flamed for it BUT it appears still to be true today :

"The only good IDF soldier is a dead one"

And to add some balance I'll add :

"The only good Hamas fighter is a dead one"
 




Curious Orange

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Yet another 34 dead at the hands of Israelis. How long is the world going to stand by and permit this slaughter to continue?

I suspect most of the world sees this conflict as a problem without a solution, so how would they intervene in a way that changes the mindset of either side?
 




wellquickwoody

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I suspect most of the world sees this conflict as a problem without a solution, so how would they intervene in a way that changes the mindset of either side?
Surely it needs UN peacekeepers, BUT, with a meaningful mandate and authority to enforce it. That should be a starting point.
 




Zeberdi

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Surely it needs UN peacekeepers, BUT, with a meaningful mandate and authority to enforce it. That should be a starting point.

It would be a nice idea but who is the Host nation that needs to invite them in?

Israel don’t even recognise the authority of the UN - they certainly wouldn’t invite them in to what they consider as part of Israel

UN going in to Gaza at a Palestinian request would also be a tacit recognition by the UN of Palestine being a sovereign nation which wouldn’t be acceptable to the US or the UK since they have repeatedly vetoed that recognition at the UN Assembly/sSecurity Council.

Also, UN peacekeeping forces are exactly that - they aren’t deployed in a war zone but there may be a role for them in a Peace Settlement that recognises Gaza transitioning to an independent Palestine - I think we are well away from that at the moment - A Trump Presidency is more likely to support the opposition to a 2 state solution.

Finally, Israel doesn’t even allow the UN in to monitor and gather evidence of war crimes, they ignore the ICJ rulings regarding genocide, ignore UN conventions on other international war crimes, they will not be party to anything the UN proposes or a UN peace keeping force imo.
 


wellquickwoody

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It would be a nice idea but who is the Host nation that needs to invite them in?

Israel don’t even recognise the authority of the UN - they certainly wouldn’t invite them in to what they consider as part of Israel

UN going in to Gaza at a Palestinian request would also be a tacit recognition by the UN of Palestine being a sovereign nation which wouldn’t be acceptable to the US or the UK since they have repeatedly vetoed that recognition at the UN Assembly/sSecurity Council.

Also, UN peacekeeping forces are exactly that - they aren’t deployed in a war zone but there may be a role for them in a Peace Settlement that recognises Gaza transitioning to an independent Palestine - I think we are well away from that at the moment - A Trump Presidency is more likely to support the opposition to a 2 state solution.

Finally, Israel doesn’t even allow the UN in to monitor and gather evidence of war crimes, they ignore the ICJ rulings regarding genocide, ignore UN conventions on other international war crimes, they will not be party to anything the UN proposes or a UN peace keeping force imo.
Thank you for your thoughts, and with hindsight I think you are spot on.

With the West unwilling to do anything other than back Israel I can only hope that once hostilities cease the truth will become apparent to all, and that appropriate decisions and actions are taken. In the meantime perhaps right thinking people can only highlight the issues as far as possible. It really is truly sickening what is being allowed to occur.
 








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