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[News] John Prescott RIP



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RIP big John and thank you.

In the history of our club there have been some defining moments. Arguably, Robbie Reinalts goal is at the top but two-jags nod for the Falmer decision runs a very close second.

I'd love to see a revolving doors type movie made about the Albion illustrating how things could have turned out for us. I'm sure we have some movie-makers in our midst and we have plenty of story lines to explore.
 








Hugo Rune

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Giraffe said:
I admired Prescott, the same way I admired Tony Benn and Margaret Thatcher. Regardless of their views, they were passionate and said what they believed in. He never changed (despite the croquet moment) and that is to be applauded. Oh to have politicians on both sides now like him. It's a sadder world without them.
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I’m not sure I quite agree with that.

In his tribute to Prescott, Alistair Campbell spoke about how he had the ability to listen to arguments and change his view. Prescott changed his mind on removing clause 4 which was fundamental to Labour modernising and finally becoming electable.

Unlike the likes of Thatcher and Corbyn, he was more than a principle driven MP, he could actually hear other voices and judge what was better for the party and country rather than blindly sticking to his core beliefs.

Both Corbyn and Benn were effective in opposition and in the house because of this rigid belief in their own principles and views of the world, a functioning democracy needs many different voices and options in Parliament; but in Government because you have to listen to others and compromise or change your views, that way of working is problematic. Thatcher and the poll tax is a prime example of where the inability to listen to others or to take the correct advice causes huge issues for the party and country.

But I’m fully behind your point that we need more politicians like Prescott.
 


lawros left foot

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Wallace said:
Loved it when Danbert Nobacon poured that ice bucket over his head. Just another archetypal champagne socialist, whatever he may or not have done for Falmer it'd never change my view of him
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You either don’t understand the term’Champagne Socialist’ or you don’t know John Prescott history.

Born to a proper working class family, left school at 14, joined the Merchant Navy, not as an officer but as a steward, worked his way up in theNational Union of Seamen, and became a left wing MP.
I admit, taking the Ermine doesn’t sit well with me, but, he at least used his time in the Lords to try to do some good, unlike most.

RIP John and a heartfelt thank you.
 






jcdenton08

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Hugo Rune said:
I’m not sure I quite agree with that.

In his tribute to Prescott, Alistair Campbell spoke about how he had the ability to listen to arguments and change his view. Prescott changed his mind on removing clause 4 which was fundamental to Labour modernising and finally becoming electable.

Unlike the likes of Thatcher and Corbyn, he was more than a principle driven MP, he could actually hear other voices and judge what was better for the party and country rather than blindly sticking to his core beliefs.

Both Corbyn and Benn were effective in opposition and in the house because of this rigid belief in their own principles and views of the world but in Government, you have to listen to others and compromise or change your view. Thatcher and the poll tax is a prime example of where the inability to listen to others or to take the correct advice causes huge issues for the party and country.
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Re: Thatcher and poll tax, isn’t the commonly agreed consensus that she was quite literally losing her mind by that point with her dementia beginning to affect her?

Poll tax was grossly unfair and replaced in 1993 with council tax, which while slightly fairer still wasn’t perfect
 








Herr Tubthumper

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lawros left foot said:
You either don’t understand the term’Champagne Socialist’ or you don’t know John Prescott history.

Born to a proper working class family, left school at 14, joined the Merchant Navy, not as an officer but as a steward, worked his way up in theNational Union of Seamen, and became a left wing MP.
I admit, taking the Ermine doesn’t sit well with me, but, he at least used his time in the Lords to try to do some good, unlike most.

RIP John and a heartfelt thank you.
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I had to Google Ermine. Every day is a school day.
 






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From back in 2014

RIP JP

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Thunder Bolt

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BS34 Seagull said:
Was this the Steak and Kidney pie he was referring to in the video?



R.I.P. and thank you J. P.
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Yes, and the nursery (crèche) he referred to, was the brick building, next to the Sportsman, which was used by the directors on a match day.
 






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Flounce said:
RIP and grateful for ever that he ”got” the need for the Amex

They don’t make charismatic politicians like him any more, which he was and then some.
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Charismatic and always loyal to the leader. The former can feed overweening ambition in others, as we have seen.

One couldn't help smirking when tory MPs 'order drinks' from him in parliament (he was a former ship's steward). But he took it in his stride.

I was disappointed by his leg-over adventure, but this is apparently not uncommon.

RIP
 








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Common as Mook said:
Backed an invasion that killed thousands of Iraqis and our own men.
Went on to say he regretted it, but it's a bit late. History should judge him on that decision made in government unfortunately
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Ironic that it is only the extreme left that feels the need to put the boot in today.
 




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