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mile oak

mile oak

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May 21, 2023
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shingle said:
Here's the question that I would have asked .....

Have our government just pushed the UK further towards military conflict with Russia by allowing Ukraine extended use of Stormchaser missiles.

Putin seems unstable and desperate, he might see Britain as isolated and deserving of some kind of strike, it wouldnt be the first time that a despot has miscalculated. Robert Peston for one, seems very concerned at the escalation.
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Putin will have advisers and will no doubt know once Trump is in the approach differs. What we dont need is Tow Tier Keir sticking an ore in and stirring the pot and getting a reaction from Russia no one (seemingly apart form him) wants. Thats why (apart form other political stupidity) i refer to Labour as Loonies.
 




studio150

studio150

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mile oak said:
Putin will have advisers and will no doubt know once Trump is in the approach differs. What we dont need is Tow Tier Keir sticking an ore in and stirring the pot and getting a reaction from Russia no one (seemingly apart form him) wants. Thats why (apart form other political stupidity) i refer to Labour as Loonies.
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You must be the only Tory supporter in Mile Oak, and have been taken in my all the lies that Johnson was (is) telling everytime he spoke.

No doubt if you were an American you would be a full on MAGA supporter.
 


The Clamp

The Clamp

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Jan 11, 2016
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West is BEST
They have announced the scrapping of largely obsolete equipment that is beyond economic repair.

The ongoing introduction of new ordnance and equipment carries on. In fact a lot of the kit supplied to Ukraine by the UK is stuff that is being field tested. So very new indeed.

I’m not overly concerned.
 












Deportivo Seagull

Deportivo Seagull

I should coco
Jul 22, 2003
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mile oak said:
Timing is awful and no mention of concrete (planned) replacement.
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i don’t often say this but ‘utter bollocks’.

the assault ships have already been mothballed (by the previous government) and there was never any plan to replacement.As an ex-junglie I’m a fan of assault ships so was never happy with this.
The frigate is beyond economical repair with damage than wouldn’t have been expected. So yeah ‘utter bollock’.
 












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portlock seagull

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Jul 28, 2003
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MACCAPACCA said:
I don’t really understand why the BBC tell the whole world on the front page of their website that we have done this. Surely we should be keeping this quiet rather than bragging about it?
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A bit wet to think Russia wouldn’t know otherwise. Regardless, we’re in a proxy war already and hopefully (along with our NATO allies) we’ll soon be in a full conventional war against this tyrant. IMO Putin must be defeated at all costs. Total war declared on Russia by the West, our lives all channelled to this end. However hard, however long. But now with the full commitment of everyone’s armed forces in the West until not one Russian living soldier remains in Ukraine or Crimea. If he uses Nuclear weapons, then so be it. Destiny was always hell in a handcart.
 




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cunning fergus

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Deportivo Seagull said:
i don’t often say this but ‘utter bollocks’.

the assault ships have already been mothballed (by the previous government) and there was never any plan to replacement.As an ex-junglie I’m a fan of assault ships so was never happy with this.
The frigate is beyond economical repair with damage than wouldn’t have been expected. So yeah ‘utter bollock’.
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I disagree, even if all of the equipment is obsolete the timing is incoherent with our green light for Ukraine to start firing storm shadows into Russia.

With the decision to retire the amphibious platforms (at the very least) our armed forces now have a diminished capability, which does not reconcile with the decision by TTK to poke the bear.

All Governments should have defence of the realm on their priority list, so far this lot talk a good game and are evidently happy to escalate the situation with Putin but this decision indicates fragility and reticence to invest in the armed forces to any meaningful degree.

Domestically many people will not understand how we can lavish billions on Ukraine and our newly arrived citizens currently residing in hotels but at the same time we can’t afford to maintain a reasonable military capability.
 




The Clamp

The Clamp

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Justice said:
Some guy on the radio today was petrified he was going to get called up and go to war if it was WW111
Good job the young men in previous wars had some balls and not crying like this wimp.
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Can’t say I relish the idea of being sent to war.
While I get your point, in previous wars it was sold to people a lot differently, as it were.
Plus we didn’t have such an insight into the horrors of war we have now.
 


Justice

Justice

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Jun 21, 2012
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The Clamp said:
Can’t say I relish the idea of being sent to war.
While I get your point, in previous wars it was sold to people a lot differently, as it were.
Plus we didn’t have such an insight into the horrors of war we have now.
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I see your point and it’s a different world today although if I was at the age of call up I would do it I had to. It won’t happen though so I don’t think anyone has to worry about it.
 


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Since1982

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Sep 30, 2006
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Burgess Hill
mile oak said:
Have the looney tunes Labour led by Two Tier Kier just led the UK into WWIII by allowing Ukraine extended use of missiles at the same time they've cut defences?
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Oliver Dowden on the radio this evening supporting the missile decision. Is he a member of "Looney Tunes Labour"? And defence spending hasn't been cut. Apart from that, well done.
 


The Clamp

The Clamp

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Justice said:
I see your point and it’s a different world today although if I was at the age of call up I would do it I had to. It won’t happen though so I don’t think anyone has to worry about it.
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I think I would also go if required. But I don’t mind admitting, I would be petrified.

But as you say, not going to happen.
 






The Clamp

The Clamp

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Jan 11, 2016
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Form the MOD website.

We seem to be spending a fair bit. I’d assume this includes our contribution to NATO.


“We spent £52.8 billion on defence in 2022/23, rising to £54.2 billion in 2023/24. For 2024/25, our core budget of £51.7 billion combined with assumed additional funding from the Treasury Reserve including for support to Ukraine, means our total defence budget is expected to be £55.6 billion.3 Apr 2024”

£500m of cuts isn’t that much in the scheme of things. And I believe those aren’t true cuts, but value of the equipment we are scrapping?
 


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