[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

Eric the meek said:

If they stuffed it under the mattress, then they will have lost through rampant inflation. And if they think of spending it imported goods, as opposed to that substandard Russian stuff, then that will also cost them more due to the ruble falling.

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Eric the meek said:

If they stuffed it under the mattress, then they will have lost through rampant inflation. And if they think of spending it imported goods, as opposed to that substandard Russian stuff, then that will also cost them more due to the ruble falling.

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Triggaaar said:

They should try and get it into another currency if they can.

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Zeberdi said:

It was ‘proven’ on witness accounts in the room - There were phone recordings too iirc.

Best to read back on the Trump thread for Trump’s approach to Ukraine - suffice to say Trump’s approach to Ukraine has remained the same throughout his first Term and throughout Biden’s administration and that is one of appeasement to Putin and blocking or stalling military aid to Ukraine both to appeal to an increasingly isolationist American electorate and to Putin..

I rather suspect the change of policy by Biden in allowing Ukraine to use US missiles against targets inside Russia is to precipitate an end to the war ( or at least give Ukraine a cushion of advantage from which to negotiate a peace settlement) before Trump takes over the White House in January.

As for nuclear deterrence, I’ve said it before but Putin has successfully weaponised the idea of nuclear deterrence with his rhetoric on the use of tactical nuclear weapons to the point NATO were the ones deterred from confronting Russia in the early days of the war.

- NATO has looked like rabbits in the headlights ever since.

My emotions tells me that we should turn the nuclear rhetoric around and hold it over Putin as he is doing with NATO -we must be prepared to use tactical nuclear weapons or at least convince him of such. Short of NATO putting boots on the ground in Ukraine, I can’t see an alternative battle plan. A very high risk strategy though.

My head however, tells me the East and West requires a Peace Plan based on something like a new North/South axis of neutrality - consisting maybe of Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Ukraine, and Moldova - an axis of neutrality acting as a buffer zone between the East and West - an axis that is protected jointly by Russia and NATO and being an area of free trade/economic development with both the East and West and most importantly, an axis of neutrality that leaves Ukraine in full control of its sovereign territory.

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raymondo said:

Yes true...are they getting 21% interest in their current accounts nice!

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raymondo said:

There's no way the Baltics would agree to being in an axis of neutrality.
Ukraine was neutral, gave up it's nuclear weapons for joint protection by the US, Russia, UK...that didn't end well for them.

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Zeberdi said:

Yeah probably- silly idea.

As you were- apologies for the intrusion into the thread was just offering some input on Trump and overstepped - will leave it to the usual crowd of experts to carry on

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Zeberdi said:

Will leave it to the usual experts to carry on with the discussion

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Triggaaar said:

There are experts on here?

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raymondo said:

I didn't see it as an intrusion, and I agree with the rest of your post,and it's pretty clear that regular posters on here are not experts and don't pretend to be.
I just didn't think that idea would work - and no, I don't know what will work - my apologies for replying.

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Triggaaar said:

There are experts on here?

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Eric the meek said:

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Zeberdi said:

Certainly looks like it compared to some of us numpties

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Triggaaar said:

I'm having a dumb moment - what does that mean?

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Eric the meek said:

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