[Albion] Todays women’s game

Hamilton · Nov 18, 2024

Han Solo said:
Indeed.

The normal situation in a PL club is that one single men's first team player has higher wages than the entire women's squad. This is very likely the case in Brighton as well. The players in the biggest teams in the WSL earn some £60k per year on average and we're probably around £40k on average.

We paid 80% of Ansu Fatis £160k-per-week wages last season, meaning that every week we paid him the same money we give to four or five of our female players over a year.

People who support a team in the men's Premier League and talks about the cost of the women's team are among the most moronic and deluded people in society. Complete lack of connection to the real world.

It’s sad that all the teams in the top flight of women’s football are Premier League teams.

The teams that fought for women’s football - Clapham, Durham, London City, Doncaster, Liverpool Feds, Lewes - they are nowhere to be seen.

Instead, the FA have allowed a model to emerge that means that PL owners can just buy up the game.

Brovion · Nov 18, 2024

ozzygull said:
If I lived in Brighton or closer to it I would definitely watch some of the women’s games. Going to a match for me is not a couple of hours out of my day, it is a whole day event. So I don’t have the capacity to follow any other team. Saying that I have watched them play live at Wycombe, the game they got promote, a couple seasons ago when they played Reading, also watch a couple of the games at the Amex when my mum was still alive as I could combined visits and one game I took her to a match and she really enjoyed it.

If the women’s games are on YouTube or TV I will watch. They are representing The Albion, so I want them to do well.

I can’t imagine why any Albion fan would not want them to do well, unless they have something against women doing sport, and any person saying they are not interested and don’t want it forced them, don’t watch it then or do you feel the need to give your opinion on every televised sport that men play that you don’t have interest in? Probably not.

Oh they do. Read any England thread, full of posts from people saying how much they "don't care".

But yes, your point is valid. I want all the Albion teams to win all their games.

Han Solo · Nov 18, 2024

Hamilton said:
It’s sad that all the teams in the top flight of women’s football are Premier League teams.

The teams that fought for women’s football - Clapham, Durham, London City, Doncaster, Liverpool Feds, Lewes - they are nowhere to be seen.

Instead, the FA have allowed a model to emerge that means that PL owners can just buy up the game.

Yup, thats the general development of women's football, for good and bad.

20 years ago, women's football was dominated by clubs doing only or mainly women's football, like Umeå IK, Turbine Potsdam and so forth. Unfortunately the sport didn't grow as quickly as expected so a lot of these clubs eventually had financial problems and thats when the big clubs took over.

London City should be going up this season though. One could argue that they have the most ambitious project in women's football.

JBizzle · Nov 18, 2024

Brovion said:
Oh they do. Read any England thread, full of posts from people saying how much they "don't care".

But yes, your point is valid. I want all the Albion teams to win all their games.

It reminds me of the point I made a year or so ago when people complain about women's football being reported about on SSN. I don't start a thread complaining that they have darts or boxing coverage on SSN because, for those segments, I'm not their audience but somebody will be.

It's all part of a seemingly modern phenomenon wherein people simply have to make it known how little they care about something by commenting about how little they care loudly and vociferously whenever the opportunity arises.

Anyway, I've been very impressed with the women's team this season. Dario Vidošić comes across very well indeed and finally seems to be the right appointment after a series of missteps post-Powell. It helps that we've given him a squad capable of meeting lofty expectations, unlike previous seasons

ozzygull · Nov 18, 2024

hart's shirt said:
I don't think any Albion fan wants any Albion team to do badly and I can't immediately recall any comment on NSC against women doing sport.

In fairness, NSC is a football forum (as well as many other things), so commenting on football - whether male or female - and everything around it is to be expected over other sports, televised or otherwise. No one should get kid gloves treatment, everything is up for robust but civil debate. That's where the equality comes in. Now I'm typing this in the early hours with one eye on The Women's Football Show. It's great that it's being shown, but with a finish at almost 1am, far too late on a Sunday night / Monday morning to encourage kids watching unless its on the iPlayer. So that's one bit of feedback that's clearly meant as a positive. Breakfast of champions and all that.

As for anyone who isn't interested, well they're probably not reading this thread let alone commenting on it. But that's not good.
In the words of Wilde, "there is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about".
Media column inches (e.g. Suzy Wrack in The Guardian) promote from the top, but the organic growth desired really needs to come at club forum level.

So let's keep talking on NSC about Women's Football and all concerning it. We may not always agree, but interest and engagement is better than the alternative.

To be fair it wasn't aimed at NSC particularly, apart from the useless attendance comparisons and the #justsaying remark.

I have stopped doing it, but I used to read the comments on the BBC after the England's Lionesses won the European cup and it was just depressing. Comments about how a "12 year boys team or pub team could beat these " it's not relevant, as it is women's team competing against each other. Then the "BBC has gone woke", and "stop forcing something I am not interesting in" comments. it was insane.

dazzer6666 · Nov 18, 2024

ozzygull said:
To be fair it wasn't aimed at NSC particularly, apart from the useless attendance comparisons and the #justsaying remark.

I have stopped doing it, but I used to read the comments on the BBC after the England's Lionesses won the European cup and it was just depressing. Comments about how a "12 year boys team or pub team could beat these " it's not relevant, as it is women's team competing against each other. Then the "BBC has gone woke", and "stop forcing something I am not interesting in" comments. it was insane.

This - the constant comparisons with the men's game are daft - the same gaps are evident in pretty much any sport where physical attributes are a factor, and from a finance/following perspective the women's game has years of catch-up ahead. The thinly-veiled sniping (often dressed up as 'I'm just asking the question........' etc) is tiresome.

jcdenton08 · Nov 18, 2024

When it comes to women’s football on here, we’re largely a sensible lot I think? It’s its own sport, played on a level playing field between teams of equal physical and technical ability. I enjoy having another Albion team to support, and England actually win things.

On the flip side to the misogynists who enjoy running down women‘s football, there is a minority who perhaps get slightly carried away at times too. I remember there was a lot of talk online at one point, seemingly unironically, of Marta being good enough to play men’s PL football.

Similar thing happened when Ronda Rousey got over-hyped and people like Joe Rogan were saying she could beat any man in her weight class, which again, simply isn’t true and did Rousey a disservice making it seem like her accomplishments in women’s sport weren’t enough.

One thing though, I really do wish women’s teams would stop playing boy’s U15 teams and the like. There are videos on YouTube of numerous women’s international teams like Australia and USA losing heavily to youth and schoolboy teams and I think it hurts the game.

dazzer6666 · Nov 18, 2024

jcdenton08 said:
One thing though, I really do wish women’s teams would stop playing boy’s U15 teams and the like. There are videos on YouTube of numerous women’s international teams like Australia and USA losing heavily to youth and schoolboy teams and I think it hurts the game.

Agree with this - useful training exercises for both groups at times but keep it behind closed doors.

Official Old Man · Nov 18, 2024

If you want to make your blood boil, and hate Man City a lot more, read this.

Doncaster Rovers Belles: The shocking demotion of a Women's Super League founder

When the FA announced it was demoting Doncaster Rovers Belles from the WSL, the decision sparked huge anger throughout women's football.

www.bbc.co.uk

hart's shirt · Nov 18, 2024

ozzygull said:
To be fair it wasn't aimed at NSC particularly, apart from the useless attendance comparisons and the #justsaying remark.

I have stopped doing it, but I used to read the comments on the BBC after the England's Lionesses won the European cup and it was just depressing. Comments about how a "12 year boys team or pub team could beat these " it's not relevant, as it is women's team competing against each other. Then the "BBC has gone woke", and "stop forcing something I am not interesting in" comments. it was insane.

As the women's game develops, there will inevitably be bouquets and brickbats offered, some more useful and welcomed than others. When it comes to feedback, either positive or negative, if the cap fits, wear it and take on board the useful stuff, but discard everything else. I've been following BBC Sport's HYS for a few years now - just as there are consistently those who criticize and mock, there are also those who defend everything to the hilt (e.g. G-Dog who seems to appear on every HYS that I look at). It's fair to say that things have improved in the last 2 years since the Euros, as one might expect with more visibility and representation on TV. And moderators quickly remove any comments that go against the rules.

Many (but not necessarily all) of the top comments now in the BBC HYS are about the games themselves, especially the bigger derby games. As an example, take a look at the comments on yesterday's Everton v Liverpool game. The first half dozen so so are mostly about the refereeing decision to award a penalty for a foul that clearly took place outside the box. The posts were made about the game, that key moment and the referee. Thankfully it's not the fact that referee Abigail Byrne happens to be female that was the issue for all / almost all of those posting, but the fact that it was a shocking call with the Liverpool defender neither actually being in the box at the time nor going into it immediately afterwards. Even without VAR, bad decisions are bad decisions regardless of who makes them. No one should get a free pass here in either the men's or women's game.

Here's a link to the EVE-LIV comments - see what you think. It's not perfect, but it's better than before and moving in the right direction IMHO.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cn0dknqy98kt

Wardy's twin · Nov 18, 2024

Official Old Man said:
If you want to make your blood boil, and hate Man City a lot more, read this.

Doncaster Rovers Belles: The shocking demotion of a Women's Super League founder

When the FA announced it was demoting Doncaster Rovers Belles from the WSL, the decision sparked huge anger throughout women's football.

www.bbc.co.uk

Inevitable money talks.... that said they are no different to many old clubs that have disappeared from the top flight the men's and some are in the men's national league. Interesting that other WSL teams supported them retaining their poition..

Black Rod · Nov 18, 2024

Official Old Man said:
If you want to make your blood boil, and hate Man City a lot more, read this.

Doncaster Rovers Belles: The shocking demotion of a Women's Super League founder

When the FA announced it was demoting Doncaster Rovers Belles from the WSL, the decision sparked huge anger throughout women's football.

www.bbc.co.uk

Should we hate Brighton Women too for having next-to-no presence in the upper reaches of the footballing pyramid until Tony Bloom started funding it?

Han Solo · Nov 18, 2024

jcdenton08 said:
When it comes to women’s football on here, we’re largely a sensible lot I think? It’s its own sport, played on a level playing field between teams of equal physical and technical ability. I enjoy having another Albion team to support, and England actually win things.

On the flip side to the misogynists who enjoy running down women‘s football, there is a minority who perhaps get slightly carried away at times too. I remember there was a lot of talk online at one point, seemingly unironically, of Marta being good enough to play men’s PL football.

Similar thing happened when Ronda Rousey got over-hyped and people like Joe Rogan were saying she could beat any man in her weight class, which again, simply isn’t true and did Rousey a disservice making it seem like her accomplishments in women’s sport weren’t enough.

One thing though, I really do wish women’s teams would stop playing boy’s U15 teams and the like. There are videos on YouTube of numerous women’s international teams like Australia and USA losing heavily to youth and schoolboy teams and I think it hurts the game.

I only think Swedish coaches are doing this (Pia Sundhage and Tony Gustavsson in the cases of US and Australia).

When women's football became popular here 25 years ago, there was a lot of arguments that I recognize in the current talk here about women's football. Lots of comparisons and wild takes - news reporters asking "do you think you could beat the men's team one day?" and all that kind of dumb shit.

That is not the case anymore. Women's football is very widely seen for what it is and not compared to the men's game. When our coaches put women's team against boys teams, very few thinks "oh thats silly". People understand it is done to improve the players, who gain a lot from facing stronger opposition - arguably a lot more than if they play a friendly against another women's team.

This way of improving and challenging players doesn't hurt the game unless you watch those games with a flawed attitude.

Brovion · Nov 18, 2024

Black Rod said:
Should we hate Brighton Women too for having next-to-no presence in the upper reaches of the footballing pyramid until Tony Bloom started funding it?

No. How is that the same thing? Afaik no one was thrown out of any league so that we could be allowed in.

ozzygull · Nov 18, 2024

Black Rod said:
Should we hate Brighton Women too for having next-to-no presence in the upper reaches of the footballing pyramid until Tony Bloom started funding it?

No they won their place by winning a play off. However they still had to meet the financial requirement to be able to play in WSL

Women's Premier League: Brighton beat Sporting Club Albion in play-off

Brighton move one step closer to the Women's Super League as they beat Sporting Club Albion in the third tier play-off.

www.bbc.co.uk

Uter · Nov 18, 2024

Hamilton said:
It’s sad that all the teams in the top flight of women’s football are Premier League teams.

The teams that fought for women’s football - Clapham, Durham, London City, Doncaster, Liverpool Feds, Lewes - they are nowhere to be seen.

Instead, the FA have allowed a model to emerge that means that PL owners can just buy up the game.

And the WSL is dominated by just three teams. The current top 7 of the WSL consists of the women's teams of the so-called "big six" clubs, plus us. It would be nice if a few different clubs could challenge this. I'd imagine pretty much all the WSL teams rack up significant losses at the moment, so it seems unlikely this picture will change for a while.

amexer · Nov 18, 2024

Uter said:
And the WSL is dominated by just three teams. The current top 7 of the WSL consists of the women's teams of the so-called "big six" clubs, plus us. It would be nice if a few different clubs could challenge this. I'd imagine pretty much all the WSL teams rack up significant losses at the moment, so it seems unlikely this picture will change for a while.

Certainly a huge difference from top 3/4 to rest of league Also like PL promoted clubs from championship struggle to even compete with bottom sides. It is clear that at this stage of development womens game just does not have enough quality players to go round to make it more competitive.
I am not deriding the womens game

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