[Albion] Should Joel Veltman be in the Dutch squad (even if not first choice)?

Bozza · Nov 12, 2024

I don't know enough about Dutch right-back options, but one Dutch football journalist has blasted their setup for not recalling him.

Süleyman Öztürk snapt niks van scouting Oranje: 'Rensch wel en hij niet? Doek de hele afdeling maar op'

Süleyman Öztürk uit kritiek op de Oranje-scouting nadat Joël Veltman opnieuw ontbreekt in de selectie van Ronald Koeman. Ondanks zijn prestaties bij Brighton & Hove Albion krijgt Devyne Rensch de voorkeur.

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Video for those who can speak Dutch...

ChickenDipper · Nov 12, 2024

Happy for him not to be.

Nicky Rust Fan Club · Nov 12, 2024

I'm quite content for Joel to have a rest during the international breaks.

But if I was Dutch, he should absolutely be in.

Bozza · Nov 12, 2024

ChickenDipper said:
Happy for him not to be.

Nicky Rust Fan Club said:
I'm quite content for Joel to have a rest during the international breaks.

But if I was Dutch, he should absolutely be in.

Whilst I absolutely get the "club over country" line of wanting to keep players nicely rested whilst others are jetting all over the world, I think Veltman is such a good pro, and such a decent bloke, that I want him to get some further international recognition.

And, it would be great for three of the Dutch back five to be Albion too!

Mellor 3 Ward 4 · Nov 12, 2024

No.

I love Joel, but he's really not quick enough for International football.

ChickenDipper · Nov 12, 2024

Bozza said:
Whilst I absolutely get the "club over country" line of wanting to keep players nicely rested whilst others are jetting all over the world, I think Veltman is such a good pro, and such a decent bloke, that I want him to get some further international recognition.

And, it would be great for three of the Dutch back five to be Albion too!

Club over foreign country!

hans kraay fan club · Nov 12, 2024

Bozza said:
Whilst I absolutely get the "club over country" line of wanting to keep players nicely rested whilst others are jetting all over the world, I think Veltman is such a good pro, and such a decent bloke, that I want him to get some further international recognition.

And, it would be great for three of the Dutch back five to be Albion too!

If they pressed Wieffer into an emergency CB role, and if (Dutch born and raised) Ferdi Kadioglu had chosen them over Turkey, we could have had ALL FIVE...

hans kraay fan club · Nov 12, 2024

"There is a kind of category of players who will never be called up again, while they are performing consistently at the highest level in Europe every week." According to Öztürk, the scouting of the Dutch team has to draw conclusions from this missing name. "If Joël Veltman is not discussed, then you have to shut down the entire department."

I guess Joel is in the same situation as Danny Welbeck. They are both absolutely performing well enough to be considered in the here and now - but would both be seen as retrograde steps, by coaches always looking to the future.

sussex_guy2k2 · Nov 12, 2024

I’d say no. I love the guy, but he’s neither quick enough nor good enough on the ball to play as a RB or a CB at international level for me.

RandyWanger · Nov 12, 2024

Yes, it makes sense. He becomes a Dutch international and then is voted our player of the season and then he goes back home for a half decent fee.

London Irish · Nov 12, 2024

Maybe a few years ago in his prime. Would love to watch the 'ole falling over routine in the break tho

schmunk · Nov 12, 2024

sussex_guy2k2 said:
I’d say no. I love the guy, but he’s neither quick enough nor good enough on the ball to play as a RB or a CB at international level for me.

How is playing against Hungary, or Bosnia & Herzegovina, as the Netherlands will in the next week, any more challenging than playing against (and beating) Man City...?

Coldwaltham Seagull · Nov 12, 2024

Mellor 3 Ward 4 said:
No.

I love Joel, but he's really not quick enough for International football.

I dunno. I reckon if he can cope with the likes of Arsenal, City, Liverpool etc. in arguably the best league in the world he might be alright coping with the pace from the likes of Hungary and Bosnia

JBizzle · Nov 12, 2024

sussex_guy2k2 said:
I’d say no. I love the guy, but he’s neither quick enough nor good enough on the ball to play as a RB or a CB at international level for me.

Would you say that Hungary and Bosnia are better than Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal? Games in which he played very well in and wasn't particularly troubled pace-wise?

[Edit: As @schmunk and @Coldwaltham Seagull put it before I did]

pigmanovich · Nov 12, 2024

RandyWanger said:
Yes, it makes sense. He becomes a Dutch international and then is voted our player of the season and then he goes back home for a half decent fee.

Another Gross then

mothy · Nov 12, 2024

I absolutely LOVE Joel veltman- best looking dutchman I know. Quality shithousery, decent defender & when I bumped into him really nice guy.

But international full back for the Netherlands = no. Scotland or Republic of Ireland = yes. But not England level.

I appreciate all his efforts, but he doesn't offer enough attacking threat to play for a top tier international team & defensively he is good, but struggles against pace

Coldwaltham Seagull · Nov 12, 2024

mothy said:
But international full back for the Netherlands = no. Scotland or Republic of Ireland = yes. But not England level.

Bit of a moot point. Might as well say Messi isn't England level- because he's not English.

mothy said:
II appreciate all his efforts, but he doesn't offer enough attacking threat to play for a top tier international team & defensively he is good, but struggles against pace

What evidence do you have that he struggles against pace, there has been various stand out performances that would suggest otherwise

Stato · Nov 12, 2024

It's a no from me. I don't want the Dutch to play England and have to join in the outrage when he mugs off Declan Rice again. It doesn't seem to have done the mental health of Arsenal fans much good.

Stato · Nov 12, 2024

Coldwaltham Seagull said:
What evidence do you have that he struggles against pace, there has been various stand out performances that would suggest otherwise

He never looked bothered by Zaha.

mothy · Nov 12, 2024

Coldwaltham Seagull said:
Bit of a moot point. Might as well say Messi isn't England level- because he's not English.

What evidence do you have that he struggles against pace, there has been various stand out performances that would suggest otherwise

I'd say Messi is good enough to play for England (if he was english). He could also get into most teams

1v1 - I've seen with my own eyes that he isn't as quick as some other players = my evidence (& opinion)

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