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[Politics] Why wasn't Reform represented at the Cenotaph?



Theatre of Trees

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But you seriously think that he would rather the Nazi's won the war?. He might be fascist, racist or whatever but saying that he supported the Nazi's is something very different.
In the 1930s Farage may well have been politically in the same boat as Mosley - note his strong support for Russia today and his desire to appease Putin. There are a number of similarities between himself and those from occupied countries who collaborated with Hitler: venality, vanity, obsession with money, and an inability to self discipline himself to fit into hierarchical party political structures. His support of Russia today is largely because Putin has been able to impose a sham democratic system that enables him to stay in power without worrying about possible political opponents (either jail them, poison them or throw them out of windows).

Collaboration in WW2 was motivated by two points; finance and politics. Financial reasons straddled the entire spectrum between those needing to put food on the table to those who took advantage of enriching themselves through the confiscated proceeds of ideological undesirables. Political reasons were far narrower: ideological which encompassed all fascist parties in Europe bar one (a small Belgian fascist party who were too vehemently anti-German), who liked to prance around town with their uniforms and beat up opponents; and fellow travellers, vehemently anti-Communist but finding some aspects of Nazi ideology distasteful - these people would be on the take but turn their heads when the more ruthless elements of Nazism were on display. Quisling and Laval were exponents of the latter, and that is where I believe Farage would have stood if he was living then and Britain had been occupied.
 




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So presumably didn’t feel the need to attend the Clacton event like most MPs would their local ceremony?

Figures.
 


beorhthelm

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They are minority parties so don't get a main part
is the correct answer. min 6 MPs apparently, otherwise leaders attend out of the way. funny in twitterland they are trying to whip up a conspiracy he was banned.
 




Thunder Bolt

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is the correct answer. min 6 MPs apparently, otherwise leaders attend out of the way. funny in twitterland they are trying to whip up a conspiracy he was banned.
Yet, many replies are saying he could’ve laid a wreath in Clacton, so not quite the victim as Ms Oakshott would like.
 




hans kraay fan club

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Farage more likely to appear at the US equivalent, toadying up to Trump.
I presume Trump doesn’t indulge in these kind of events, given he is on record describing America’s WWII fallen, as ‘losers’
 


Cheshire Cat

The most curious thing..
Quisling and Laval were exponents of the latter, and that is where I believe Farage would have stood if he was living then and Britain had been occupied.
Both of whom were executed after the war as collaborators.

Mosely was interned until 1943. It is a little known fact (I didn't know it anyway) that he lost a 1924 bye-election to Neville Chamberlain in Birmingham by only 77 votes. What might have happened had he won and Chamberlain lost his seat?
 


WSU Dilettante

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The party would need to have at least 6 MP's or be the leading party one of the devolved nations.
GB news types are doing their best to turn it into some sort of conspiracy against Farage.
 








Theatre of Trees

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Both of whom were executed after the war as collaborators.

Mosely was interned until 1943. It is a little known fact (I didn't know it anyway) that he lost a 1924 bye-election to Neville Chamberlain in Birmingham by only 77 votes. What might have happened had he won and Chamberlain lost his seat?
Mosley was interned on 23 May 1940 on the orders of Churchill, about a week after he had visited France and become alarmed about the defeatism of the then French Government and High Command. Virtually all of the high placed administrators of BUF were also interned effectively leaving the party headless. Mosley had been pushing the British Government to accept Hitler's peace offers since the outbreak of war in September 1939 - Churchill was not going to risk having a Hitler supporter free if Britain was going to be fighting for her existence.

Regarding your second point I expect Chamberlain would have done exactly what Mosley did, wait for a by election in safe constituency and get re-elected. I'd imagine the 1920s Conservatives would have done it pretty rapidly too, sending some crusty ancient Tory to the Lords to make way.
 








portlock seagull

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This isn't Lee Anderson (Nigel's probably still celebrating at Trump's Florida resort 🥺).
Bit of an insult to the millions who voted for them (I'm not one of them BTW). They were the THIRD highest in terms of votes cast FFS, so I quite resented Sir Ed Davey's appearance today (even though he's a Mansfield lad).
Because they’re c**** and the British electorate hasn’t cotton on to yet so it’s a safety measure until they do?
 




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Farage is an MP. He won the Clacton seat.

Edit: He’s also the leader of Reform.
The 'should have taken Hitler's offer' was said by Ian Gribbin, the person I referred to, who failed to get elected. Farage was elected, so my comment about someone who failed to get elected didn't refer to him.
I also know he is the leader of reform.
 


The Clamp

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Farage likes to make himself out to be a modern day Churchill.

Quite the contrary.

Nigel would have crumpled like a fag packet on a fire if faced with Hitler.

He would have cowed and placated Britain into serfdom.


He’s a fraud. A watery little digit. Not fit for British office.

Prominent amongst his manifold shortcomings is his unwillingness to get stuck into the hard graft.


He unfailingly selects the most pathetic and irrelevant of hills upon which to die.

There’s no place for him at the Cenotaph.

He has the precise qualities of a failed military man.
 
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Thunder Bolt

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The party would need to have at least 6 MP's or be the leading party one of the devolved nations.
GB news types are doing their best to turn it into some sort of conspiracy against Farage.
Apparently UKIP tried the same thing in 2015. The Greens and Plaid Cymru weren’t there either.

In the meantime, Clacton didn’t have their MP at their service.
 




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