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[Politics] Donald Trump, US President Elect 2025

Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 3 0.7%

  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 174 42.0%

  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 217 52.4%

  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 20 4.8%
  • Total voters
    414
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Jackthelad

Jackthelad

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Mar 31, 2010
1,105
chickens said:
My working theory is CINO (Christian In Name Only) - I have a couple of friends who are C of E, and involve themselves at their local church.

They have (between themselves) divided their local congregation into three categories:

1. those who genuinely believe and work hard to live by Christian values.

2. Regular people, not massively observant, decent to talk to and well-meaning.

3. CINO - those who are at the church to try and derive status from it, and who occasionally try to embroil the local vicar in what he considers some quite ungodly causes (closing down the soup kitchen, because the annex smells after all the homeless people have been in was one that stuck in my mind) they are often on lots of committees outside the church too.

American Christianity seems weaponised to me, and chock full of CINO who want to use their status to try and order society as they see fit.

Christianity being what they hide behind, but people who would have been given very short shrift by Jesus, and had better hope that no Old Testament god makes their presence felt.

That’s a personal theory, backed up by no more than some anecdotal conversations with a couple of friends in the UK. It’s the best I have atm. I go back to my previous point of America’s total amorality, and not believing this is an example we should follow. Lots of churches in America, very few genuine Christians to my mind.

TLDR - religion as status symbol, rather than belief. Performative Christianity if you
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Herr Tubthumper said:
It goes beyond "differing poltical views." I feel he is a real threat. And this is not about Harris.

I personally think the world would be a far better place if Putin, Trump plus a few others, did not exist on it. I have a good grasp of US culture; if he was shot dead then I'd offer my thoughts and prays and move on. That is how it works over there.
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There are millions Putins and Trumps out there. Trump is not particularly effective at what he does. Killing him would make your enemy 10x stronger.
 


Frutos

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Interesting to hear some of the Dem names being bandied about for 2028 already.

Gavin Newsom and Pete Buttigieg seem to be the two I've seen most, along with the seemingly obligatory references to Michelle Obama.
 




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ROSM

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Dec 26, 2005
6,863
Just far enough away from LDC
Frutos said:
Interesting to hear some of the Dem names being bandied about for 2028 already.

Gavin Newsom and Pete Buttigieg seem to be the two I've seen most, along with the seemingly obligatory references to Michelle Obama.
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Shapiro had a close escape as he was considered for VP pick. Him and Buttigieg seem a likely pairing for the primaries
 






K

Kinky Gerbil

Im The Scatman
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Jul 16, 2003
58,809
hassocks
Frutos said:
Interesting to hear some of the Dem names being bandied about for 2028 already.

Gavin Newsom and Pete Buttigieg seem to be the two I've seen most, along with the seemingly obligatory references to Michelle Obama.
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Newsom wouldn't win, more of the same

Buttigieg would have more of a chance
 


hart's shirt

hart's shirt

Well-known member
Jul 8, 2003
11,166
Kitbag in Dubai
A1X said:
Need some help please. I don't speak German, can anyone confirm if this is a good thing?
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Wouldn't happen in Germany.

(Been there, done that.)
 




Stato

Stato

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Dec 21, 2011
7,419
chickens said:
I suspect that’s 20 million voters who had given Biden their vote, and felt poorer, or no wealthier, in 2024 than they had at the last election. Voters no longer believed they had the answer.

Biden/Harris needed inflation to have dropped faster, and wage growth to have been stronger (seemingly contradictory I know) for a Democrat win. I have a horrible feeling Labour may discover the same over here.
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RandyWanger said:
They will.
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Labour's popular vote in 2024 was actually down on the 2019 results. Over half a million more people voted for Corbyn's Labour party than did for Starmer's. However the Tory popular vote was down by over 7 million. The scale of the win was due to the Tory collapse and Labour's astute targetting of vulnerable seats rather than a great appetite for Starmer. Labour's issue won't necessarily be holding their own vote, but whether the electorate continue their distaste for their opponents.
 


GT49er

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Feb 1, 2009
49,460
Gloucester
jordanseagull said:
It's not blind faith, it's a written Constitution that would require the opposing party to vote through measures to alter the Constitution. It's not happening.
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...................... and you think there'll be enough democrats to block it? Plus some too scared to risk their families by opposing it. Senate, congress and the judges all going/gone republican with big majorities. :facepalm: :(

We can always learn from history; so now we can learn from history what will happen. It's happened before.
 


banjo

banjo

GOSBTS
Oct 25, 2011
13,451
Deep south
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1066familyman

1066familyman

Radio User
Jan 15, 2008
15,246
I haven't followed this thread, but if it hasn't been mentioned already, then there's a book that I'd recommend reading.

The Precipice by Noam Chomsky
 


jimhigham

jimhigham

Je Suis Rhino
Apr 25, 2009
8,127
Woking
Stato said:
Labour's popular vote in 2024 was actually down on the 2019 results. Over half a million more people voted for Corbyn's Labour party than did for Starmer's. However the Tory popular vote was down by over 7 million. The scale of the win was due to the Tory collapse and Labour's astute targetting of vulnerable seats rather than a great appetite for Starmer. Labour's issue won't necessarily be holding their own vote, but whether the electorate continue their distaste for their opponents.
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Labour's vote share may well have dropped because polling in the last few days made it clear they were going to win at a canter, thereby enabling many to vote with their heart a little. Their vote might hold up a little better than anticipated if tested, as people face a serious Labour/Tory choice.
 








Mellotron

Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
32,520
Brighton
It does slightly ease my hurt, hurt feelings that Trump's vote count went DOWN.

So suggestions the whole of America has suddenly lurched to the right demographically is not really true.
 










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