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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*
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FatSuperman
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- Feb 25, 2016
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And the immigration issue is critical, illegal immigration needs tackling - by having proper controls to quickly run people through the process and ‘send them back’ or get them into the workplace.
Ironically, this is a potential route that makes ‘American made’ products competitive… by driving down labour costs with people used to a lower standard of living. But those people need to integrate with the more upwardly mobile of US society over time, and that needs to be made possible. You can’t have near-slavery
Ironically, this is a potential route that makes ‘American made’ products competitive… by driving down labour costs with people used to a lower standard of living. But those people need to integrate with the more upwardly mobile of US society over time, and that needs to be made possible. You can’t have near-slavery
Every time I visit California all I see is foreign cars.
I was told by a local that if I wanted to see American cars on the road, I should head out to the mid west, where folk drive 'merican cars when not a-prayin' to Jesus.
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I hear you, but in 2016 he also got the trifecta for 2 years. Presidency and both houses and he did absolutely naff all on border..... he started in last 2 years with divided house, and got grand total of 2% built with Mexico paying nothing.....
The trouble with populism is its snake oil.... creating problems to fix that play on voter emotions at a visceral level but actually doing very little to resolve these complex issues in reality.
He won't fix Border or build total wall imho.... its just electioneering issue that plays well to his target demographic simply for him to stay out of jail.
- Oct 12, 2022
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Trump is 100% protectionist. His whole game plan is “make it here, because I’m going to increase the import tariffs until it becomes cheaper to make it here than import.”
I agree completely re: all your points, but protectionism can work in the short to medium term. It brings in jobs, tax receipts, and a feeling that as a country you’re building things. It’s when there’s a scarcity/price hike in something imported you’re reliant on that problems start to mount. Let’s hope they get better at building things with more practice.
- Oct 20, 2022
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The fact you choose to use a distressful letter from a member of my family to get in a patronising and passive aggressive dig says more about you than anything else I have seen you post on these boards.
I didn’t post her letter to make a political point, I posted it to demonstrate how utterly devastated my elderly aunt and uncle are. As second generation immigrants, they were dreading life in the US if Trump got elected.
As it happens, I am genuinely very concerned for their welfare at the moment for reasons I am not going to go into.
You could have made your point about Democrats needing to learn lessons without quoting a distressing letter from a member of my family.
Ive now deleted the letter because it’s too personal and upsetting to post on a football forum perhaps you could remove my letter from your quote please.
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jordanseagull
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The first Trump administration pursued a trade deal with the UK (I worked on an element of it). It was Biden who shut it down and never revisited it.
US Seagull
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So, in other words, make everything much more expensive.
Some people would call that inflation.
While making American exports less competitive due to retaliatory tariffs.
Curious Orange
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That message would work here too.
FatSuperman
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It does surprise me that every single American I speak to understands this concept perfectly, and thinks it’s a terrible idea. And yet a huge number of people voted on basically this factor
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...The fact you choose to use a distressful letter from a member of my family to get in a patronising and passive aggressive dig says more about you than anything else I have seen you post on these boards.
I didn’t post her letter to make a political point, I posted it to demonstrate how utterly devastated my elderly aunt and uncle are. As second generation immigrants, they were dreading life in the US if Trump got elected.
As it happens, I am genuinely very concerned for their welfare at the moment for reasons I am not going to go into.
You could have made your point about Democrats needing to learn lessons without quoting a distressing letter from a member of my family.
Ive now deleted the letter because it’s too personal and upsetting to post on a football forum perhaps you could remove my letter from your quote please.
nicko31
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US bond yield already rising, dollar rising, inflation coming, higher rates for longer.
Silly people
Silly people
- Oct 12, 2022
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It’s possible, but we have far less in terms of existing industry and natural resource, and import almost everything.
We need to be working with our universities, rather like the way that ARM came about, but insisting on holding onto a 20% stake as part of the funding agreement that grows it.
We sold all our silver decades ago.
Won’t stop the grifters from trying though.
If you can keep wages rising slightly ahead of price increases (tighter labour market, more opportunities) then it can work. However, there’s usually a point at which that can’t be done, and then people get unhappy and vote you out.
ROSM
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I thought the uk rejected the offer made by Trump late 2020 as it would have killed the airbus business in the UK. Truss apparently made the decision on officials advice
nicko31
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Leave things as is, we're fine. We don't want to get f**ked over by what is becoming a rogue state
Just re-join the EU customs union instead
- Oct 20, 2022
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I’ve deleted my post/her letter - I should have known better than to post something so personal and upsetting.I can’t believe your aunt doesn’t know your name
Strange that I already deleted long before you quoted it - how does that work?
You resurrected my post after I requested the image be removed?
- Oct 20, 2022
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Thanks - appreciate it - still weird you managed to quote it though when I had already deleted it much longer than 9 minutes ago!
hart's shirt
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Indeed, H.
There's nothing stupid about this Trump voter, let alone being racist, misogynist or 'deplorable'.
Just self-interest as an African American along with lack of distinction from Biden and the price of milk.
Sometimes it's as straightforward as that. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/czxrnw5qrprt
Cameron Lewellen was an undecided African American voter in the swing state of Georgia, and he decided to vote for Trump. In the past, he has voted Democrat and Republican.
The father-of-three says it was "somewhat of a protest vote", adding that he "didn't hear enough from Kamala that she would be distinct from Biden".
"There was a lot in recent times about how great the economy was doing but all my neighbours are still complaining about the price of milk," he tells BBC Newshour.
“Kamala Harris, as a woman, was representing a breakthrough from the glass ceiling and she was also leaning in to her heritage as an African American in this country, but she didn’t put out any policies to address the systemic issues for African Americans."