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Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
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chip said:
While the UK was in the EU we could not ban the export of live animals, that was the part I highlighted. Freedom of movement meant that we did not have the power to block the shipment of animals from Ramsgate.

When we left the EU, we were able to introduce a law in May this year that banned the export of live animals for slaughter overseas.

Thus, it is reasonable to say we were forced to allow the export of live animals. When Ramsgate challenged this the High Court ruled they could not ban the export of animals.

To me that is a benefit of leaving the EU.

From the government, I've highlighted the KEY WORDS: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/export-of-live-animals-banned

A new ban on exporting live animals came into law today (Monday 20 May) as the Animal Welfare (Livestock Exports) Act received Royal Assent, capitalising on a post-Brexit freedoms and bolstering the UK’s position as a world leader in animal welfare standards.


The legislation delivers on a key manifesto commitment to ban the export of live animals including cattle, sheep, and pigs for slaughter and fattening from Great Britain.


It is only possible now the UK has left the European Union, and will stop animals enduring stress, exhaustion and injury on long and unnecessary export journeys.


The Act will ensure that animals are slaughtered domestically in high welfare UK slaughterhouses, reinforcing our position as a nation of animal lovers and a world leader on animal welfare, boosting the value of British meat and helping to grow the economy.
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That's beautifully argued and if it is correct I salute you, and will retract my red-faced hyperbole.

But are you sure this bit is true?

In your link it boast "capitalising on a post-Brexit freedoms and bolstering the UK’s position as a world leader in animal welfare standards". However this is an HMG puff written when the blustering clowns ran the show. Later on we see: "Environment Secretary Steve Barclay said:". OK, Steve. Mate.

I'm still calling this tory hubris.

Can you show me the evidence that we were prevented from blocking this pre-Brexit? The French were famous for ignoring any EU rules it didn't like.

I simply don't believe that the UK government could be prevented from banning the export of live animals from the UK if it took a bit of time and effort to do so.

And as I said, to export live animals means that English farmers chose to do so. Why did the Tories not simply tell them to stop?

Even if you are right about our hand being tied (and as I say I doubt the credibility of this), I never heard a peep about this before Brexit and it was hardly relevant when the referendum took place. Except for you and your chums presumably.
 




Pavilionaire

Pavilionaire

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chip said:
Banning the export of live animals is a good one.
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So we've given up 5% of our annual GDP, put a border down the Irish Sea, let loose Farage and his racists and so much more shit, just so some cows have a stay of execution?
 


chip

chip

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Jul 7, 2003
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Glorious Goodwood
Harry Wilson's tackle said:
That's beautifully argued and if it is correct I salute you, and will retract my red-faced hyperbole.

But are you sure this bit is true?

In your link it boast "capitalising on a post-Brexit freedoms and bolstering the UK’s position as a world leader in animal welfare standards". However this is an HMG puff written when the blustering clowns ran the show. Later on we see: "Environment Secretary Steve Barclay said:". OK, Steve. Mate.

I'm still calling this tory hubris.

Can you show me the evidence that we were prevented from blocking this pre-Brexit? The French were famous for ignoring any EU rules it didn't like.

I simply don't believe that the UK government could be prevented from banning the export of live animals from the UK if it took a bit of time and effort to do so.

And as I said, to export live animals means that English farmers chose to do so. Why did the Tories not simply tell them to stop?

Even if you are right about our hand being tied (and as I say I doubt the credibility of this), I never heard a peep about this before Brexit and it was hardly relevant when the referendum took place. Except for you and your chums presumably.
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Glad you've calmed down. I'm in no way go to even attempt to give credence to that pratt. I'm not trying to justify brexit, only offering a suggestion of something that I think is better as a result. It was just an observation. I'd been interested in this since I came across a demo at Shoreham in 1987.

I've already shown you the evidence. Ramsgate port got fed up with the protestors and there was an incident that led to some animals being destroyed. Fed up with the disruption, Ramsgate banned exports themselves. the hauliers challenged the legality and the High Court found that banning woul breach freedom of movement. I think we did try with the meat products. We aren't France.
 




chip

chip

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Jul 7, 2003
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Glorious Goodwood
Harry Wilson's tackle said:
In your link it boast "capitalising on a post-Brexit freedoms and bolstering the UK’s position as a world leader in animal welfare standards". However this is an HMG puff written when the blustering clowns ran the show. Later on we see: "Environment Secretary Steve Barclay said:". OK, Steve. Mate.
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Surprisingly, yes this is actually true (if you want to believe qualitative league tables). We are up there with NZ. This is most likely in spite of Friend of the Earth Steve.
 




jessiejames

jessiejames

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Jan 20, 2009
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BrightonCottager said:
I've just found the Private Eye article I read about this and the OBR said that ending the 5p fuel duty cut and raising it with inflation would raise £4.9b per year from 2024 to 2029. Even the RAC were in favour of it, because suppliers are fleecing us (as the Competition and Markets Authority have found). The fuel duty freeze benefits rich drivers of gas guzzlers who drive furthest more than poorer, more frugal drivers while rail and bus fares go up. It's economically, environmentally & equitably illiterate.
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The fuel duty freeze benefits haulage companies and also everyone else by keeping prices down.
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
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Faversham
chip said:
Glad you've calmed down. I'm in no way go to even attempt to give credence to that pratt. I'm not trying to justify brexit, only offering a suggestion of something that I think is better as a result. It was just an observation. I'd been interested in this since I came across a demo at Shoreham in 1987.

I've already shown you the evidence. Ramsgate port got fed up with the protestors and there was an incident that led to some animals being destroyed. Fed up with the disruption, Ramsgate banned exports themselves. the hauliers challenged the legality and the High Court found that banning woul breach freedom of movement. I think we did try with the meat products. We aren't France.
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I see where you're coming from.

I will have a read about that when I get a moment. It intrigues me now.

Apologies for my dummy spitting.

(I am confident 'we' could have reached the same outcome without leaving the EU though; my experience with immutable rules, and I have had much experience, is that if you blow hard enough the walls come tumbling down).

:thumbsup:
 


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BLOCK F

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Feb 26, 2009
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It will be interesting to see what the general opinion and consequences of the budget are seen to be once the various expert commentators have had their say over the next few days. So far, I detect some concerns about the all important growth and the rise in UK gilt yields.
 




sparkie

sparkie

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Jul 17, 2003
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For me the budget was better than expected. The VAT on school fees was the equivalent of a 4K pay cut which is a lot of avocados to cut back on. I suppose I break even if I drink 4,600 pints a week though.

But my biggest fear was a slashing of the Inheritance tax allowances which could have had utterly dire consequences ( worst case ) for me at some point. So it was nice that worry has been taken away until 2030.
 




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bazbha

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Mar 18, 2011
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Harry Wilson's tackle said:
I am prepared to wager good money that a considered response will not be forthcoming.
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Maybe its having served my country for all my working life. If you're prepared to risk your life for something you passionately believe in then just maybe you think we should not be subservient to the EU. Call me a "flag sh*gger" etc all you like. I love my country and the flag I serve under. The Common Market was a good concept but what it morphed in to was unrecognisable to that. I'm not saying Brexit has been great, just that I haven't changed my mind and never will. Very similar to the rest of the people I work and serve with.
 




Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
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bazbha said:
Maybe its having served my country for all my working life. If you're prepared to risk your life for something you passionately believe in then just maybe you think we should not be subservient to the EU. Call me a "flag sh*gger" etc all you like. I love my country and the flag I serve under. The Common Market was a good concept but what it morphed in to was unrecognisable to that. I'm not saying Brexit has been great, just that I haven't changed my mind and never will. Very similar to the rest of the people I work and serve with.
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That is a considered response to be fair, but it saddens me.

Essentially you are saying that despite the possible existence of evidence that we have lost out by leaving the EU, it is evidence that you are not prepared to consider. Meanwhile you and your mates are content to remind each other that you were right to vote leave.

I probably wouldn't enjoy spending time with you and your mates; too many subjects that would be impossible to discuss.
 


Jim in the West

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bazbha said:
Maybe its having served my country for all my working life. If you're prepared to risk your life for something you passionately believe in then just maybe you think we should not be subservient to the EU. Call me a "flag sh*gger" etc all you like. I love my country and the flag I serve under. The Common Market was a good concept but what it morphed in to was unrecognisable to that. I'm not saying Brexit has been great, just that I haven't changed my mind and never will. Very similar to the rest of the people I work and serve with.
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Huge respect to anyone that risks their life in combat. Definitely NOT something I'd be up for. Despite some Irish blood, I also love my country of birth (England/UK) - and that was one of the key reasons I voted Remain. Being part of the EU has huge financial and other advantages. I strongly believe that if anyone really had the interests of their country at heart they would have voted in a way that benefitted our fellow citizens (esp the younger generations) via higher standards of living, etc. Unfortunately Brexit has been an inevitable failure, and we will all suffer (except for the super-rich) for decades to come.
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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How big does a business need to be for the new NI rules to effect them?
(Eg, number of employees or turnover)
 




crodonilson

crodonilson

He/Him
Jan 17, 2005
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Lyme Regis
Bill Gates absolutely fuming at the governments $2b cut to foreign aid, calling it stupid and short sighted.
 




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Seecider

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Guinness Boy said:
Hopefully that cut and the employment allowance changes will help landlords and restauranteurs a little though? I'd be keen to hear @crookie 's take on it.

As an, ahem, keen user of the hospitality industry I want to see it thrive.
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ANY SMALL BUSINESS EMPLOYING MORE THAN 1/2 DOZEN PEOPLE AT £25-30K PA IS GOING TO BE WORSE OFF.
 










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