Discuss? Arguably Alireza had a better first impression
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Discuss? Arguably Alireza had a better first impression
Skaville
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I really want him to do well but that was poor tonight. The third goal was shockingly bad from him.
- Oct 17, 2008
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In fact I was someone who defended in strong terms Wieffer’s mistake on Saturday using that exact term, scapegoat, that you’ve just used.
It doesn’t change the fact that he was desperately poor tonight and heavily contributed to what turned out to be their winning goal, just as he sadly did with Wolves’ equalising goal on Saturday.
I’m not suggesting he’ll never come good (read my above posts instead of quoting your own) but right now he’s nowhere near the level needed to play for our first team. And that’s a fact, Jack.
Yes - you're right. Collectively it was piss poor.
But the thing is, us fans can't forgive a lack of effort - that's what the issue was here.
Once he’d lost it he was the wrong side and could reasonably have expected one of the other two in front of Diaz to put a tackle and/or block in………
Don't think it's a fact at all. Thought he looked good today - not great perhaps but fine. We could and perhaps should be blaming an actual defender in Lampety who was consistently shocking in defence but I notice there isn't a thread about him.
- Oct 17, 2008
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So you’re scapegoating Lamptey?
Arthritic Toe
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The first 'battle' isnt even a battle. He just lets Diaz walk round him
Don't think there's a lack of effort at all. It's a collectively awful goal but once he's turned there's not a lot he can do. Watching him race back to defend just before he's clearly puffing a bit which isnt a surprise given his lack of game time but I'm having nothing to do with this pile on.
He performed really poorly at the weekend, and with an opportunity to bounce back tonight he looked like a deer in the headlights. I hope there is a great player in there and that he finds a higher level of performance but he’s looked off it so far.
The problem is that we paid £25m for him and currently he’s looking like he’s probably 4th choice of the fit midfielders (Baleba, Hinshelwood, Ayari) and may struggle to get in when Milner and O’Riley return. I don’t think that’s scapegoating, I think that’s a very valid worry.
I'm not scapegoating anyone, I'm just pointing out that certain players seem to escape the attention.So you’re scapegoating Lamptey?
I thought he’d had a good game until that third goal, which quite frankly was a pathetic effort. He looked completely spent, so maybe it’s actually on Hurzeler for not subbing him.
- Oct 17, 2008
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Dunno, I mean, the body language is dreadful. That was someone who lost their individual battle and gave up in that moment. Fans hate to see that from their best players, let alone players who should be really trying to prove and establish themselves.
Compare and contrast Rutter who battles and scraps for every little thing, endearing him to fans practically immediately. And he’s an attacking player…
macbeth
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third goal a really really poor end to the evening. other than that, yes it’s a big ‘other’, thought he was much better. won a lot of first balls defending corners, made some good interceptions. it’s crazy to write him off at this point, and even crazier to scapegoat him, particularly when there were others who were playing tonight who’ve been here for years and haven’t been good enough for much of that time
Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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He’s not exactly had the greatest start with us 
but I think he deserves a bit more time to adapt to the greater pace and intensity of the EPL. McCallister, Baleba and others all took time to adapt.
but I think he deserves a bit more time to adapt to the greater pace and intensity of the EPL. McCallister, Baleba and others all took time to adapt.
kevo
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- Mar 8, 2008
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While this is true, would we risk giving him another chance until the FA Cup? At the moment his mistakes are proving extremely costly.He’s not exactly had the greatest start with us
ROSM
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I thought he played well tonight up til the 3rd goal.
POSKETT AT THE VALLEY
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I was hoping that the lad would have a tidy game tonight and for the most part he did. But the third goal he let me down. That aside Lamptey defensively cost us tonight.
Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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You’re possibly right - he may have to sit on the bench for a while yet, as Baleba did last season.
Hes an odd one at the moment. I thought for large parts he was very good. And he thundered into some tackles. I can really see a player there.
Then in some instances he seems to gove away easy passes and spends too much time on the ball. And had a very weird space cadet moment with Lamptey (who was horrible guys, come on, dont get fooled be a couple of dribbles) for their 3rd.
I'm very happy to believe he could turn unto a really good player. It's just taking him a long time to get his head round the pace and intensity.
Then in some instances he seems to gove away easy passes and spends too much time on the ball. And had a very weird space cadet moment with Lamptey (who was horrible guys, come on, dont get fooled be a couple of dribbles) for their 3rd.
I'm very happy to believe he could turn unto a really good player. It's just taking him a long time to get his head round the pace and intensity.