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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - Trump v Harris

Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 2 0.6%

  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 128 37.5%

  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 193 56.6%

  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 18 5.3%
  • Total voters
    341
  • This poll will close: .


peterward

peterward

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Nov 11, 2009
12,102
raymondo said:
What an arsehole,and very dangerous
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Hes is a total asshole but its all a lot more simple and sinister.

Peter Theil and Musk are both billionaire tech gurus and Vances backers/supporters who helped get him on the ticket, and why?
Because Trump is an old man with a max 4 years and Vance, their man, is his heir apparent.

That combined with all the Russia/Saudia money that was used to acquire twitter, and its pretty obvious, Musks plan is controlling the narratives and pushing misinformation on one of worlds biggests social networks, to aid the Neo fascist/populist take over of American politics........... For all his "save the constitution" bullshit, he, like Trump will want to make sure if they can seize power, that it can never again be removed at the ballot box.

With his man as the number 2, and potential future dynastic President, its all about his lust for power and an Oligarghic take over of US government contracts and industry.

Musk isnt just a wacky genuis tech geek, he is a sinister and dangerous lunatic with a lust for absolute power.
 
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drew

drew

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Oct 3, 2006
23,482
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hans kraay fan club said:
I see Trump had another moment yesterday, pillorying Harris for not visiting hurricane stricken North Carolina, while Harris was literally at that time, in *checks notes* North Carolina.

But of course, the truth is scarcely relevant.

Trump supporters are simply not interested. They'll hear Trump's attack and nod "Hell yeah. Too right. What an uncaring bitch", and completely miss / ignore / wilfully deny any corrections they see or hear.
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I doubt that Harris has any plans to work on changing the minds of the MAGA mob (an impossible job bearing in mind their IQs) She is only interested in the floating voters.
 


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raymondo

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Apr 26, 2017
7,007
Wiltshire
peterward said:
Hes is a total asshole but its all a lot more simple and sinister.

Peter Theil and Musk are both billionaire tech gurus and Vances backers/supporters who helped get him on the ticket, and why?
Because Trump is an old man with a max 4 years and Vance, their man, is his heir apparent.

That combined with all the Russia/Saudia money that was used to acquire twitter, and its pretty obvious, Musks plan is controlling the narratives and pushing misinformation on one of worlds biggests social networks, to aid the Neo fascist/populist take over of American politics........... For all his "save the constitution" bullshit, he, like Trump will want to make sure if they can seize power, they will ensure it can never again be removed at the ballot box.

With his man as the number 2, and potential future dynastic President, its all about his lust for power and an Oligarghic take over of the US governement contracts and industry.

Musk isnt just a wacky genuis tech geek, he is a sinister and dangerous lunatic with a lust for absolute power.
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Yes, absolutely agree.
 


Mellotron

Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
32,347
Brighton
Calling Harris "awful" when pitted against Trump is near insane.

It's like calling a plate of unsalted chips "awful" when compared to a plate of actual FAECES.
 
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Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
55,364
Faversham
peterward said:
Hes is a total asshole but its all a lot more simple and sinister.

Peter Theil and Musk are both billionaire tech gurus and Vances backers/supporters who helped get him on the ticket, and why?
Because Trump is an old man with a max 4 years and Vance, their man, is his heir apparent.

That combined with all the Russia/Saudia money that was used to acquire twitter, and its pretty obvious, Musks plan is controlling the narratives and pushing misinformation on one of worlds biggests social networks, to aid the Neo fascist/populist take over of American politics........... For all his "save the constitution" bullshit, he, like Trump will want to make sure if they can seize power, that it can never again be removed at the ballot box.

With his man as the number 2, and potential future dynastic President, its all about his lust for power and an Oligarghic take over of US government contracts and industry.

Musk isnt just a wacky genuis tech geek, he is a sinister and dangerous lunatic with a lust for absolute power.
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He is also a vain, unlikable weirdo ****.

I have a feeling this may work against him.
 


Zeberdi

Zeberdi

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Oct 20, 2022
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Crawley Dingo said:
I haven't seen a poll trending or Harris leading in the vital swing states for about 5 weeks.
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In an election this closely fought where all polls have the candidates separated by no more than 3 points , the polls are pretty useless at predicting a winner because most polls have at least a 3-6% margin of error.

‘Harris leads Trump by one point overall in the seven battleground states likely to decide the election: Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Nevada, Arizona, North Carolina and Georgia, according to Cook Political Report survey released Wednesday. Harris leads Trump in five of the states, Trump is up by two points in Georgia, and they’re tied in North Carolina.’

www.forbes.com

Trump Vs. Harris 2024 Polls: Harris Holds Onto Lead In 3 New Polls

Most polls indicate a tight race between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
 




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marlowe

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Dec 13, 2015
4,219
peterward said:
Musk isnt just a wacky genuis tech geek, he is a sinister and dangerous lunatic with a lust for absolute power.
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I think his jumping around antics at the Trump rally the other day betrayed just how excited he was by the sense of power he was deriving for which that rally served as a taster for him. He was really getting off on it and didn't even have the self control to try and hide it.
 


JetsetJimbo

JetsetJimbo

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Jun 13, 2011
1,136
Harry Wilson's tackle said:
He is also a vain, unlikable weirdo ****.

I have a feeling this may work against him.
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I can't find it now, and it can definitely be filed under "scurrilous gossip" rather than anything meaningful, but: I saw a post somewhere a few months ago theorising that Vance had been through "gay conversion therapy". The person who wrote the post claimed to have been through it himself, and said that they basically Pavlov you into feeling visceral revulsion against any living arrangement that isn't a traditional family. That's why he gets so worked up about all kinds of non-traditional setups -- single people, blended families, etc. He's been conditioned to feel actual revulsion at them.

As I said, scurrilous gossip. But it would explain a lot.
 








Withdean South Stand

Withdean South Stand

Well-known member
Mar 2, 2014
579
nwgull said:
This is your opinion. Unfortunately, it’s not cutting though. The debate certainoy tipped the balance towards Harris, but that was weeks ago. I remain convinced that unless Harris lands some significant blows in the next 4 weeks, or Trump fucks up, enough floating voters will drift back to Trump by next month to give him a victory.
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It absolutely is my opinion and I think the majority of the electorate know that the country would be better off with Harris as president. Whether that means they vote for her or not is what matters. As Pod Save America have been saying, for a huge number of the electorate the choice isn't Trump vs Harris, it's voting vs not voting.
 








Crawley Dingo

Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
971
Zeberdi said:
In an election this closely fought where all polls have the candidates separated by no more than 3 points , the polls are pretty useless at predicting a winner because most polls have at least a 3-6% margin of error.

‘Harris leads Trump by one point overall in the seven battleground states likely to decide the election: Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Nevada, Arizona, North Carolina and Georgia, according to Cook Political Report survey released Wednesday. Harris leads Trump in five of the states, Trump is up by two points in Georgia, and they’re tied in North Carolina.’

www.forbes.com

Trump Vs. Harris 2024 Polls: Harris Holds Onto Lead In 3 New Polls

Most polls indicate a tight race between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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The one I last saw(Yesterday) showed he just went 2 up in penn, he is also ahead in Arizona, Nevada and Georgia. Polls also tend to have a leftward bias as working age men are hard to get hold of to poll as they are at work.
 




Crawley Dingo

Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
971
Igzilla said:
There's none so blind as will not see.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/
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Thanks, that reflects what I was saying.

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peterward

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Nov 11, 2009
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Crawley Dingo said:
The one I last saw(Yesterday) showed he just went 2 up in penn, he is also ahead in Arizona, Nevada and Georgia. Polls also tend to have a leftward bias as working age men are hard to get hold of to poll as they are at work.
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He is not ahead in Nevada except in republican commissioned polls, in the poll of all polls........

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

National : President: general election : 2024 Polls

The latest political polls and polling averages from FiveThirtyEight.
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harris is ahead by +1 in Nevada, Trump +1 in Arizona and +1 in Georgia and all 3 are within the 3% margin of error, so nobody can say with any certainty who is ahea in any of those 3 with sample sizes of around 1000 voters.

Of course if you want to base you finding on Rasmusson which is skewed right you can live with those bias delusions
 


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