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[Albion] Facundo Buonanotte **On Loan To Leicester 10/08/24**
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Me too. I worry that as he played a decent amount of times last year he probably would have expected to be able to stay and build on that rather than be loaned out. I hope this doesn’t make him think he’s not in the plans here and look to go somewhere he is.
Justice
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Is Rutter any better though? Early days I suppose.
sussex_guy2k2
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Is he further along his development path?
I think it’s a stretch to say we’ve seen anything to suggest this.
Deportivo Seagull
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Facu and Barco out on loan for the sole purpose of getting up and running so they slot into the first team as regulars next season. It’s not a case of Rutter or Facu, it’s a case of both being ready for first team. The club know what they have with Facu so it’s just game time however Rutter is new and so the club need to manage his development.
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Deserved better? Its not some sort of punishment, he went on loan to a club where he'll play every week. I imagine he is very happy with that.
If Leicester stay up and Buonanotte plays a big part in it, there's reason to fear him that he'll leave. Not for f***ing Leicester though, but a bigger club than Brighton.
Uh_huh_him
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More experienced.
I think that probably matters.
Facu had plenty of games last season where he was pretty ineffective last season.
To reach his potential, he needs to have a big season soon.
I doubt he would get the chance here.
If it works out, he will come back to us next season, as a £60m rated player.
sussex_guy2k2
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Most of our players had games last season when they were ineffective, particularly in the second half of the season, and especially those who played most of their games out of position. And is he more experienced in the Premier League? Let alone being more experienced in this league, alongside this set of players at this club?
Personally I’ve seen nothing from Ruttner yet to suggest he has even close to Facu’s potential, let alone current ability.
Although I obviously hope to be proven wrong as he’s the one with us now and, still surprisingly, our record signing.
Uh_huh_him
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You understand what a development path is right?
He's older, more experienced and has played more games, scored more goals and has a lot more assists.
The fact you have decided he isn't as good as Buonanotte, is your call, but doesn't change where the players are in their careers at this point.
Uh_huh_him
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Yeah I agree - I don't think Rutter has the same potential as Buonanotte.
Which player is going to be most hampered by not getting the minutes they need this season?
Would you start Buonanotte over Pedro to make sure he reaches his potential?
sussex_guy2k2
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Don’t be a patronising t**t.
Most development paths happen before a player reaches the first team, not after. You understand that, right?
Which begs the question of where they really are in their careers? One has played most of his in the Championship where he’s consistently failed to score any quantity of goals, despite apparently being the leading attacker for the most affluent team, whereas the other has spent most of his in the Premier League, including this apparent development stage that you believe he needs, a development stage which could lead to us losing him if he feels unwanted.
Also, you mock me for believing one is better than the other, but you’ve done exactly the same thing, just with the reverse opinion.
sussex_guy2k2
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I’d be starting Facu and Pedro if we’re going to play the system our new manager seems desperate to play with two really high 8s/10s. Not that I particularly like this system, based on what I’ve seen so far. Even if we moved back to a system with two sitters, there would be minutes for him as back up to Pedro. And either way, I don’t see what we’ve really gained from signing Ruttner.
And I guess all players are hampered by a lack of minutes. And that’s the issue - we’ve put ourselves in a corner with Facu by purchasing so many players for his position, a number of whom look like less capable players than he is, but whom the new manager has clearly deemed ahead of him.
Also, where would he see the opportunities for next season, or the season after even? Are the opportunities going to come assuming we end up selling Pedro?
Whilst we’ve seen nothing of great note from Rutter, I think his physicality gives him the edge over Buonanotte currently. He is surely bigger, stronger, faster and much more of a unit. He also works astonishingly hard and I’d not be surprised if he covers the most ground in a match.
I’m not sure I agree with you about Rutter’s potential or ability in comparison to Facundo though. I admit that we’ve ’seen nothing yet’. But this performance for one of the global giants of football against Valencia is every bit as good as what Facundo did yesterday.
I think Rutter has a big window of development but it’s certainly valid to question can he do it in the Premier League rather than the easier Championship or Bundesliga.
brighton_tom
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At the same time the loan was agreed he signed a new deal with us, so I would think integrating him back into the team is exactly our plan.
Uh_huh_him
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Nope you have decided to completely miss my point.
I'm not mocking you.
Just picking up on some gaps in your assessment of a 22 year old player.
Enjoy your day.
I think we wanted both players due to their gigantic potential but if we want to develop both, we had to loan one out. And we're not allowed to loan a new signing to another PL club... so if we wanted both to play PL level, this was the solution. Don't think it had too much to do with difference in quality.
Definitely. And physically more imposing. Buonanotte continues to develop on that score too.
pigmanovich
Good Old Sausage by the Sea
To be fair this is dated September 23. Sevilla fans have taken to Barco since.Ahem ................... see post 1974.
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Justice
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If we keep playing Hurzler’s high line we could end up competing with Leicester.