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I’ve rated him throughout. I recall our poor/disjointed home performance against AEK, the kid came on and was a cool operator at it appeared 10.
AZ Gull's comment is valid though - sometimes we are guilty of over-rating the level in which to place our loanees - assuming Barco's level would be the PL and nothing less would likely be a case in point.Yes ‘barely’ but to get on the bench for a national team in a Country the size of Argentina, even for the U‘s at such a young age is an achievement. That and the fact we placed him in a top flight European club like 7 times Champions, LaLiga Sevilla FC, was the point I was making. That puts him above League 1 level even if it is proving to be that the Spanish Club might be too big for him. I’m astounded anyone thinks his doesn’t deserve better than playing for teams like Stockport County or Birmingham City. Any this is Facu’s thread so I won’t derail it any longer with off topic comments about Barco. I would love to see both of them back and continuing to develop their careers with us after their loan period, whenever that might be.
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t Age at debut 26 Argentina Mar 23, 2024 1 - Lionel Scaloni 19 years 08 months 00 days 3 Argentina U23 Dec 15, 2023 7 1 Javier Mascherano 19 years 04 months 22 days 3 Argentina U20 May 10, 2022 8 - Javier Mascherano 17 years 09 months 17 days - Argentina U15 Nov 26, 2019 6 3 15 years 04 months 03 days
I didn’t say it wasn’t valid. but the points I am making are also valid.AZ Gull's comment is valid though - sometimes we are guilty of over-rating the level in which to place our loanees - assuming Barco's level would be the PL and nothing less would likely be a case in point.
Not really - if we didn't sometimes over-rate our loanees we wouldn't have as many unsuccessful loans as we had, say, last season. Half a season shining brightly in the EFL wouldn't do Barco any harm at all.I didn’t say it wasn’t valid. but the points I am making are also valid.
Let’s be honest you tend to undervalue our young protégés at times while I tend to overvalue them at times.
I suspect the truth is somewhere in between.
Lol even when I admit I may over value our youngsters sometimes you still find a way to disagree with meNot really - if we didn't sometimes over-rate our loanees we wouldn't have as many unsuccessful loans as we had, say, last season. Half a season shining brightly in the EFL wouldn't do Barco any harm at all.
did we over value Gilmour then? or was it like new manager joins without seeing our players, decides we wants owner to open his purse if he joins and promptly signs four other midfield players meaning we were top heavy and despite Gillie getting more man of the match awards than any other midfield player hes allowed to go out on loan rather than being a decent one to have on the bench?Lol even when I admit I may over value our youngsters sometimes you still find a way to disagree with me
Obviously the club felt differently about Barco. He regularly gets the star man award for Seville in an arguably more technical league than the championship.Not really - if we didn't sometimes over-rate our loanees we wouldn't have as many unsuccessful loans as we had, say, last season. Half a season shining brightly in the EFL wouldn't do Barco any harm at all
As far as I am aware he was sold, not loaned. We certainly did not want to sell him, and he was made an offer he couldn’t refuse from a top Italian team with a top manager who wanted him.did we over value Gilmour then? or was it like new manager joins without seeing our players, decides we wants owner to open his purse if he joins and promptly signs four other midfield players meaning we were top heavy and despite Gillie getting more man of the match awards than any other midfield player hes allowed to go out on loan rather than being a decent one to have on the bench?
Ahem ................... see post 1974.Obviously the club felt differently about Barco. He regularly gets the star man award for Seville in an arguably more technical league than the championship.
Ahem ................... see post 1974.
We’ve been all over the place since Man Utd. We no longer have a midfielder available who can control the tempo. Baleba can’t be trusted, Matts W looked lost against quality opposition.As far as I am aware he was sold, not loaned. We certainly did not want to sell him, and he was made an offer he couldn’t refuse from a top Italian team with a top manager who wanted him.
No brainer for him, and we did the right thing by him as he wanted to go.
This, we don’t have a magic ball.Glad to see him do well. Don't think he'd have gone anywhere if we knew Gruda and O'Riley would have injury problems but over the course of the season it should be the right decision.
Although Gruda did arrive injured.This, we don’t have a magic ball.
Three assists and a goal in seven games and he hasn’t started all of them is a good return.I am in the “wish he was here” camp and whilst I wish him well at Leicester I worry he may get itchy feet if Leicester stay up but has to come back here after we had shipped him out. I think he deserved better.
Maybe he's scoring for them because he's started in 5 games, playing his preferred position.If he can score for them, he could have been scoring for us …….
I think there's an argument that he should have stayed and we shouldn't have signed Rutter.I am in the “wish he was here” camp and whilst I wish him well at Leicester I worry he may get itchy feet if Leicester stay up but has to come back here after we had shipped him out. I think he deserved better.