Over reaction from Iran? Really?
I think Israel has over reaction down to an art! Oct 7 saw Hamas massacre around 1200 people, since then Israel have killed a figure approaching 50,000 in Gaza.
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[News] how comfortable are you with UK airforce defending Israel?
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I think Israel has over reaction down to an art! Oct 7 saw Hamas massacre around 1200 people, since then Israel have killed a figure approaching 50,000 in Gaza.
- Oct 17, 2008
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I don’t like it…
…but I’ll have to go along with it
…but I’ll have to go along with it
Nobby Cybergoat
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- Jul 19, 2021
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I'm not comfortable with the UK supporting Israel militarily.
I'm not comfortable with the whole hearted support for one side in this violence
I'm not saying this out of any anti Israel position. I just think that any fair assessment of the ongoing middle east crisis will conclude ....
A) It's very complex
B) It's very dangerous
C) All sides have competing claims and none of the actors are entirely blameless
D) Lots of innocent people who are blameless are dying, being maimed or being displaced
E) British intervention in the middle east is, at best fraught with risk and usually contributes to disaster
F) There are significant constituencies of opinion on both sides in this country who, fairly, hold very strong positions
Given all this. I can't understand why a British Prime Minister would take a side. It's not like a Russia and Ukraine situation, where there is an obvious aggressor and an obvious innocent party. In the middle east, our position should be one of neutrality. We've caused enough damage. If we're going to stop Iranian missiles, we should be stopping Israeli ones as well. But better just to stay out of it and be a broker for peace
I'm not comfortable with the whole hearted support for one side in this violence
I'm not saying this out of any anti Israel position. I just think that any fair assessment of the ongoing middle east crisis will conclude ....
A) It's very complex
B) It's very dangerous
C) All sides have competing claims and none of the actors are entirely blameless
D) Lots of innocent people who are blameless are dying, being maimed or being displaced
E) British intervention in the middle east is, at best fraught with risk and usually contributes to disaster
F) There are significant constituencies of opinion on both sides in this country who, fairly, hold very strong positions
Given all this. I can't understand why a British Prime Minister would take a side. It's not like a Russia and Ukraine situation, where there is an obvious aggressor and an obvious innocent party. In the middle east, our position should be one of neutrality. We've caused enough damage. If we're going to stop Iranian missiles, we should be stopping Israeli ones as well. But better just to stay out of it and be a broker for peace
Justice
Dangerous Idiot
I do feel Starmer speaks a load of bollocks.
All this Standing with nonsense he speaks like a mum who’s never off facebook.
All this Standing with nonsense he speaks like a mum who’s never off facebook.
Justice
Dangerous Idiot
They are shit scared of Putin pressing the button.
This is exactly why the Yanks / Israel won't allow a nuclear armed Iran to exist- because it shifts the entire balance of power.
SeagullinExile
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Which he won’t, because he’s not an idiot.
- Oct 17, 2008
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Might not be an idiot, but he is a malicious bastard…
SeagullinExile
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Might not be an idiot, but he is a malicious bastard…
No more than Netanyahu in my opinion.
No more than Netanyahu in my opinion.
Official Old Man
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I am worried. We are defending a country against another country. We've taken sides in what could well become a war on a larger scale. If we are involved it gives the aggressor a reason to attack us, be it in Cyprus or our bases here in the UK.
My other concern is why this war and not Ukraine who are up against Russia? Do we pick our fights depending on whether we think we can win.
My other concern is why this war and not Ukraine who are up against Russia? Do we pick our fights depending on whether we think we can win.
Seems as if your pre emptive strike was not hard enough !!And there we go with the obligatory thousand word response. Just can't help himself, even tho for just about everybody it's just the usual TL;DR
- Oct 17, 2008
- 14,368
Sounds like my Mrs
Nobby Cybergoat
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- Jul 19, 2021
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I think this is a legitimate concern of taking a side so decisively.
Another one is the threat of jihadi terrorism. We must all be thankful that there have been a decreasing number of these type of terrorist attacks in the last few years. But can we take this for granted?
If we're enabling Israel to act with apparent impunity and ignore mass bloodshed it's causing, how long before the fight is bought to our streets, bars and music venues once more?
SeagullinExile
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Lenny Rider
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- Sep 15, 2010
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Almost bizarre in the fact that the Royal Navy aren't allowed to defend the English Channel.
But in answer to your original question, if it maintains world peace then its has to be a good thing.
I wish we could just chill out, float about on our little island and not get involved in anything rather than doing the whole 'World Police' act with the yanks. Unfortunately, there are obviously too many geopolitical issues we've contributed to or created for that to be an option.
Nobby Cybergoat
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- Jul 19, 2021
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That seems to be quite a big if at this point in time
Wardy's twin
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- Oct 21, 2014
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The ME has been the centre of east -west trade for thousands of years and has had pretty much constant flux regards 'countries' and people fighting over control over those resources ,in olden times it was silk & spices more latterly its been about of oil , a conflict which predates the formation of modern Israel.
Would there be terrorists if Israel did not exist , the answer is yes though they might not be in exactly the same format e.g. a force similar to the current Hezbollah might be taking on Saudi directly, that threatens our oil supply so we would (and do) supply arms and support to Saudi so we would be open to same threat.