I’m not sure if you’re being deliberately obtuse. Let’s make it easy for you. Israel gives a bad person an explosive device. Bad person is in a public place or driving when it explodes. Innocent people get hurt.
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[News] Middle East conflict
- Thread starter Greenbag50
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You are quoting selective (wiki?) paragraphs out of context though - Hamas were not elected to rule Gaza per se, they beat Fatah in elections for the assembly of the Oslo Accords’ Palestinian Administrative Assembly in 2006 - which had authority over Gaza and the West Bank/East Jerusalem and was pro-West .
However, Hamas then took over the rule of Gaza by violent force overcoming Fatah in Gaza in 2007 and booting out the PA from Gaza. More than half of Gazans are under 18 - one year old at the last election - only a fraction of Palestinians today voted for Hamas in the 2006 Palestinian Assembly elections.
I know you didn’t actually ‘say’ Palestinians were terrorists btw but you did say Palestinians want ‘“Palestine’ which is known as ‘Israel’ back” which implies they want rid of Israel which is a terrorist ideology.
‘Israel’ does NOT include the Occupied Palestinian Territories ( Gaza, West Bank, East Jeruselem’ ) - yet it is these territories specifically which Palestinians civilians want back /freed from occupation ie back to pre-1967 6 Day War borders - it is only Hamas and Hezbollah that want the land back ‘known as Israel’ - ie prior to 1947 borders.
There is a crucial difference in each agenda - one is an extremist fundamentalist Jihadist agenda and one is a civil rights/two state solution agenda.
I’m assuming (hoping) you were being ironic.
Anyway - I’m out - I stopped getting involved with discussions on Israel/Gaza on the Hamas thread as it became so polarised, overly biased and at times simply pedalling false information and becoming abusive toward people with differing views on both sides.
Some good background reading here
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Crawley Dingo
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So the invasion of Lebanon looks imminent.
Jackthelad
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It's often based off who the TV tells us is evil or who politically do we agree with, who is left who is right. Sadly most people when it comes down to it believe in collective punishment.
Indeed. Although it’s unlikely they’d have been targeted unless they were members of an Iran backed terror organisation. An organisation that was launching rockets at buses and shops in Israel. Will you condemn that?
Ike and Tina Burner
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The next time a Hezbollah leader does a press conference will they use a microphone I wonder? Better not risk it if I was them.
Seagull58
In the Algarve
Some civilians got hurt. That doesn't mean it was an indiscriminate attack. It obviously wasn't.
Edit: here's a video of one exploding in the pager user's pocket with nobody else injured
Video appears to show pager explosion at Lebanon supermarket
Thousands of people were injured when pagers belonging to Hezbollah exploded almost simultaneously.
www.bbc.com
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Seagull58
In the Algarve
So if Ukraine managed to sabotage and detonate the mobile phones of 3000 of Putin's chain of command to disrupt his ability to wage war in Ukraine that would be unacceptable to you? Is that what you're saying?
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To those defending Israeli actions above, take a look at the link below. Imagine if it were your loved ones sat next to these people……
Seagull58
In the Algarve
It didn't happen.
London Irish
Well-known member
Still making little jokes about kids being killed and nurses being maimed. Everyone can see what a sick, radicalised extremist you areNow no walkie no talk
10/10 Sherlock. Did you get a Masters in Stating the f***ing Obvious?
Maybe next time huh?
Know which mast your colours are pinned to.
Insel affe
HellBilly
Pretty Fkn obvious, blinded by faith.
ElectricNaz
Well-known member
I would condemn it but it's genuinely hard to condemn something that hasn't happened. How do you know they've targetted these btw?
Also, does "Iran backed" make something worse than "it's Israel doing Israel things"?
Seagull58
In the Algarve
I am ambivalent about the event. My colours are not pinned to a mast. Neither of us have any idea whether a pager would have been triggered if someone was up in a plane. It may be that someone in a plane would be out of signal range and so it couldnt have been detonated, or it may not. In any case, it's hypothetical.
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Seagull58
In the Algarve
Not the case but welcome back.
Take off and landing, most vulnerable time for an aircraft, DEFINITELY in range around those periods.
beorhthelm
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it would appear so. the premise this disrupts anything is flawed, it's physical maiming that doesn't necessarily achieve anything.
i reckon Ukraine on Russia is a go for you, what about the rest; is Russia on Ukraine acceptable?
Seagull58
In the Algarve
but it didn't happen!
Seagull58
In the Algarve
I am ambivalent about all the scenarios but more favourable towards Ukraine on Russia and the ANC on the apartheid government because of the history of those conflicts.
On the positive side, a well-executed operation of this type could significantly disrupt the enemy's operational capabilities, even to the extent of leaving it open to military defeat, whilst incurring only a few civilian casualties relative to the number of combatant casualties.
But on the negative side there have been civilian casualties and it may not, in fact, disrupt the enemy's capabilities to a permanent or long-lasting extent so may achieve very little strategically. We just don't know.
I have issues with the Israeli action specifically because their objectives are not as clearcut as in the cases of Ukraine and the ANC. They have the right to self-defence but are they simply trying to stop Hezbollah attacking them or do they have expansionist objectives, as evidenced by the ongoing building of settlements?